Ester Mg quesion

[xelnaga]

Quick question:

Is 50 mgs of test prop ED as effective as 500mg of enth a week?

Obviously the mgs are not the same...

[MR10X]

It will be untill the enth builds up in your system,50mg of prop is not enough you need at least 150mg EOD.

[Times Roman]

I think he is asking which has more available testosterone .... 350mg of test prop or 500mg of enth?

since we are talking weight, not volume, then I won't have to discount the amount of esther in the various tests...

so the answer will be... depends.

In the beginning, the prop will be more effective, since it spikes your blood plasma levels quickly. But over the course of the cycle, the enth will provide you more test, as it is a slower acting version of testosterone and you are pinning more of the enth than the prop anyways.

50mgs of prop ed is a farily mild cycle, but it could still be effective.

[Far from massive]

I really don't understand how you can make a statement saying you need at least 525mg of prop a week. Many who have done prop cycles between 350-500 would disagree with that.

[MR10X]

I have done prop at 50mg a day and it was not as effective as the 500mg sus or 600mg of enth a week i have used.I have done 50mg of suspension Ed and 50mg of prop is not as effective.I guess the word as effective needs to be defined more as more test is always more effective.....isnt 525mg close to 500mg? Not argue but thats been my personal experience.

[Times Roman]

quick observation:
1ml of prop has more test than 1ml of enth.

just threw that out there to see if any impact on the discussion

---Roman

[gixxerboy1]

quick observation:
1ml of prop has more test than 1ml of enth.

just threw that out there to see if any impact on the discussion

---Roman

how? Wouldnt that matter on what mg per ml? You can get prop as low as 50mg per ml and test e as high as 500mg per ml

or am i misunderstanding you?

[Times Roman]

maybe...
what i meant is that the longer the esther, the less overall test per volume.
Test base has the most, with no esther
test prop has less esther than enth/cyp

Oh, i see, ignoring the oil it is mixed with

so now when i back my way into thinking this thing through, we know that if we get 50mg/ml for prop or enth, it already takes into account the esther, and this is a "net" rating for the amount of test.

sorry for confusing the issue. sometimes i forget to put my thinking cap on.....

[gixxerboy1]

lol. No problem buddy. I knew it had to be a communication error.

[Far from massive]

I think you may confusing MG and ML. ML is a measure of volume whereas MG is a measure of wieght. You should always speak in MG when discussing how much test you did as ML is only the volume that you inject and one ML of liquid test E could typically have 200 to 400 mg of actual testosterone enanthate in it, the same goes for Prop one ML of liquid prop could typically have 50mg to 100mg of Testosterone Propionate in it. Then past that you have the actual testosterone avaiable because of the ratio of test to ester and after that you get into all the complexities of absorption vs elimination and resultant blood levels of test produced by different amounts of different test esters.

[Bonaparte]

Guys, the ester weight thing makes little difference when you look at the big picture.
Long esters at the same dose will build up higher in your system than short esters. So instead of consistent blood levels from week one, you just get a lull at the start of the cycle, then higher levels in the later weeks.

[Times Roman]

^ yes. you are right, and i was aware of that. that's why i "threw it out there", i was trying to shed some light on this issue. I was trying to back my way into the esther discussion (see above), but i stepped on it by over thinking.

Good catch

[guitario]

I was under the impression some modern labs calculate the dosage without the ester so if it is dosed at say 300mg/ml then it actually carries 300mg test aswell as the ester.

I read this somewhere not long ago. Is this information incorrect?

[Bonaparte]

I was under the impression some modern labs calculate the dosage without the ester so if it is dosed at say 300mg/ml then it actually carries 300mg test aswell as the ester.

I read this somewhere not long ago. Is this information incorrect?

Nope.

[xelnaga]

All my research suggested 50mg everyday was a great dose...

[Matt]

I think Bonaparte explains it very well....

[Far from massive]

350 may work fine for a first cycle the only way to find out for sure is to pin 350 and see. The great thing about a short ester like Prop is since it builds to a good level by the end of the first wk. So by day 10 you should have a fairly good indication if you will be happy with that dosage if not up it to 450 and in another few days you will notice the difference so you really did not loose much.

Conversly with E or C it takes till wk 3 to start to feel it and usually wk 4-5 to reach a peak level so your opportunity to adjust dosage mid cycle is not as good.

Same goes if the dosage is too high, if you start at say 400-450 and for some reason find that its too high a dosage for you all you need to do is drop back to 350 and in 3 days or so you blood levels will drop.

All that said, for a beginner I personally would suggest shooting for 400 as a start point and if you are not happy by the end of the first week go up to 450-500 and if at any point before the week is up you feel the dosage is too high go ahead and drop 50-100 mg. Most of those who I have introduced to Prop have been happy with 400-450 for the first couple of cycles, keep in mind though this is a legit 100mg to ml prop not all (UGL gear) is dosed as labelled. Also myself and most I advise are happier pinning prop daily, the next day pain is less this way ( due to the decreased depot size) and the blood levels are of course have less variation.

[Far from massive]

I think Bonaparte explains it very well....

He always does...for being from the wrong side of the pond he is a pretty sharp guy.