1st Cycle. Test Prop.

[bluestone10]

you didnt understand me. Yes you weight will go up because its depleted. Say it goes up 15 lbs because of the rebound. You will probably loose 5 of that once you settle.

158 @ 7% bf doesnt equal 180@ 10%. Its simple math.

WTF? AGAIN; post number #3 is me at 174lbs@8%. That is how i look YEAR ROUND. THAT IS ME. Look at the snow in the back ground ffs. THAT IS MY DAY TO DAY PHYSIQUE.

174lbs@8% = 180lvs@10% EASY

and yes it does equate. First you add carbs and water weight will go up. Then you hit the gym with heavy weight and muscle will balloon back and then you increase bodyfat 2 points. thats how you go from 158,5 depleted to 180 full

[bluestone10]

i believe what he is saying is he weighs 158.5 with no water in him,, his normal weight is in the 170's

YESS!!! CORRECT

Normal food intake @ 8% bf = 174lbs

[dec11]

Have you read the thread? Post #3 is a picture of me 174lbs@8% bf. And that is where I was at just a few short weeks ago. 174lbs@8% is 180lbs@10%.

I can I explain it clearer? This is the 10th time i say. it

is this clear? 'you do not have enough muscle on your body to be using AAS'. i dont give a shit about water, just because your charge a depleted body with water doesnt mean you carry the necessary base weight to use aas. done here now, you asked for advice and have done nothing but argue it back

[dec11]

i believe what he is saying is he weighs 158.5 with no water in him,, his normal weight is in the 170's

so he has a base of water, you saying thats optimal cycling conditions?

[gixxerboy1]

I dont believe it. You have absolutely no shoulders you dont have much muscle on you.

[dec11]

I dont believe it. You have absolutely no shoulders you dont have much muscle on you.

i agree, all i see is low bf and not much else tbh

[gixxerboy1]

i agree, all i see is low bf and not much else tbh

so you, me and marcus agree. Hey what do we know.

[dec11]

so you, me and marcus agree. Hey what do we know.

i have a mate who has very low body fat, he hasnt trained weights in his life and looks pretty much like that. just cos we can see muscle doesnt mean theres much of it

[gixxerboy1]

i have a mate who has very low body fat, he hasnt trained weights in his life and looks pretty much like that. just cos we can see muscle doesnt mean theres much of it

my 15 year old nephew looks like that with about the same stats

[chuckt12345]

so he has a base of water, you saying thats optimal cycling conditions?

? not sure what you mean,, everyone carries a normal amount of water in their bodies. im just saying he normally weighs 175 not 158. Optimal weight no but i dont see a prb with him doing a cycle if he wants.

[dec11]

? not sure what you mean,, everyone carries a normal amount of water in their bodies. im just saying he normally weighs 175 not 158. Optimal weight no but i dont see a prb with him doing a cycle if he wants.

ok we're all wrong then.........

[gixxerboy1]

? not sure what you mean,, everyone carries a normal amount of water in their bodies. im just saying he normally weighs 175 not 158. Optimal weight no but i dont see a prb with him doing a cycle if he wants.

i say its bs. he didnt drop 20lbs of water when he was already 8%. I dont think he is ever 175 never the less has been over 200 like he says. If he can get to 200 naturally why is he cycling at 158 or 175?

[bluestone10]

i have a mate who has very low body fat, he hasnt trained weights in his life and looks pretty much like that. just cos we can see muscle doesnt mean theres much of it

i agree, all i see is low bf and not much else tbh

I dont believe it. You have absolutely no shoulders you dont have much muscle on you.

my 15 year old nephew looks like that with about the same stats

ok, guys. maybe im not ready. but to bash my physique like this and tell me i look like a 15 year old who has never touched weights is not cool considering the sacrifices Ive made to get where im at. feelsbadman.jpg

[bluestone10]

i say its bs. he didnt drop 20lbs of water when he was already 8%. I dont think he is ever 175 never the less has been over 200 like he says. If he can get to 200 naturally why is he cycling at 158 or 175?

i was 200 @ 15%. that is fat. my dream is to look like jamerjay/greg plitt etc, not a powerlifter.

[gixxerboy1]

ok, guys. maybe im not ready. but to bash my physique like this and tell me i look like a 15 year old who has never touched weights is not cool considering the sacrifices Ive made to get where im at. feelsbadman.jpg

well my nephew is varsity QB

[gixxerboy1]

i was 200 @ 15%. that is fat. my dream is to look like jamerjay/greg plitt etc, not a powerlifter.

and those guys are carrying a ton more muscle then you. I'm sure you can get there. But at a point they got over 10% to put on the size

[Standby]

WTF? AGAIN; post number #3 is me at 174lbs@8%. That is how i look YEAR ROUND. THAT IS ME. Look at the snow in the back ground ffs. THAT IS MY DAY TO DAY PHYSIQUE.

174lbs@8% = 180lvs@10% EASY

and yes it does equate. First you add carbs and water weight will go up. Then you hit the gym with heavy weight and muscle will balloon back and then you increase bodyfat 2 points. thats how you go from 158,5 depleted to 180 full

why do you have your shirt off while there is snow lol??

[chuckt12345]

dont know if hes lying or not, dont know if he can get to 200 or not,, guess i just have a different view of AAS then most the members on the board,, im not saying anyones right or wrong. If he can get to 200 with a cycle or get to 200 naturally whats the diff in the end? If he can naturally keep 200 on then all he has to do is keep a good strong diet after the cycle. Either way good luck OP.

[bluestone10]

and those guys are carrying a ton more muscle then you. I'm sure you can get there. But at a point they got over 10% to put on the size

i never said i wouldnt go above 10% on cycle. i just wanted to start ripped because everyone on this site says you should be ripped when cycling...

I feel like sh!t now. you guys have messed my confidence up by bashing my physique like that :/

[dec11]

ok, guys. maybe im not ready. but to bash my physique like this and tell me i look like a 15 year old who has never touched weights is not cool considering the sacrifices Ive made to get where im at. feelsbadman.jpg

it isnt bashing, we are just telling you straight out like we'd tell anyone else and come on now, i think you're being economical with the truth mate

[gixxerboy1]

nobody say you have to be ripped to start your cycle. So who is everyone on this site that says it?

Most people say you should get under 15%

Nobody would advice you if your 8% to deplete your self first.

[dec11]

i never said i wouldnt go above 10% on cycle. i just wanted to start ripped because everyone on this site says you should be ripped when cycling...

I feel like sh!t now. you guys have messed my confidence up by bashing my physique like that :/

right you are sounding like a baby now ffs!! get a grip

[bluestone10]

it isnt bashing, we are just telling you straight out like we'd tell anyone else and come on now, i think you're being economical with the truth mate

i dont even know what economical with the truth means. i all know is what you say. i guess i have a distorted self image or something. feels very bad. i have no idea where to go from from here.

nobody say you have to be ripped to start your cycle. So who is everyone on this site that says it?

Most people say you should get under 15%

Nobody would advice you if your 8% to deplete your self first.

i have read loads of times people saying low bf is better. maybe not sub8, but i just wanted to be super lean when starting

[Standby]

nobody say you have to be ripped to start your cycle. So who is everyone on this site that says it?

Most people say you should get under 15%

Nobody would advice you if your 8% to deplete your self first.

ill back gix up for my time here the rule everyone throws out is max 15%bf to start a cycle

[dec11]

i dont even know what economical with the truth means. i all know is what you say. i guess i have a distorted self image or something. feels very bad. i have no idea where to go from from here.

is there really no muscle here?




i have read loads of times people saying low bf is better. maybe not sub8, but i just wanted to be super lean when starting

right im out, the T word comes to mind with this one

[Mr.AMINO]

u dont try clen or t3 or somthing for cutting
anyway u look good