Dbol guys with experience!!!

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:16 PM

I would like to avoid the puffy look as much as possible...I dont mind a little bit... my cycle is
test c 500mg a wk
deca 300 at 500mg a wk
dbol was thinking 20mg a day (should I lower or raise this.

I just started with test this wk. running a test only for one wk then start deca dbol..

29
5'8
170
12% I think
lifting for six years
diet will be clean throughout cycle!

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:18 PM

forgot to say I have nova and letro on hand..

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:22 PM

20mgs is what Ive been taking along with test p. That's down from 30mgs. The reason I dropped it was because the pumps were affecting my cardio and daily tasks. I find little to no bloat at 20mgs but I keep water intake high, sodium down, and run a low dose anti a.

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:24 PM

Just make sure you split it evenly. Consistent blood concentration benefits outweighs any work out benefits a user will get by taking a high level before the gym.

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:27 PM

consistent with the dbol meaning if I was to take 20mg (10 morning 10 evening) the test and deca is every 4th day

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:31 PM

what anti a are you running and what dose? you still got puffy with the anti a (not that estro has to do with the puffy)

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:32 PM

Yes.

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:32 PM

Whoops. I run .25 letro EOD.

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:33 PM

do you think a really clean diet will help the puffy look?

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:34 PM

I don't get puffy with 20mgs ED and the letro. I do everything in my power to keep the puff down.

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

do you think a really clean diet will help the puffy look?

Yes. Mainly keeping sodium in check. Everyone is different but in my experience the real balloon head syndrome starts about 30mgs.

**gearbox** · 12-03-2011, 11:41 PM

What wk are you on? how much weight have you gained? I will watch the sodium, which is hard this day and age haha

**xelnaga** · 12-03-2011, 11:44 PM

I'm 4 weeks in. I started at 26yr 5'10 200 15-17 percent bf. My morning weigh ins are 215.

Im running 50mgs of prop ED ; and 20mgs of dbol ED

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 12:07 AM

thanks xelnaga- 4 wks and 15 pounds wow..
are you happy withthe results os far?
and you on a clean diet or just watching sodium intake?

**xelnaga** · 12-04-2011, 12:27 AM

Double post.

**xelnaga** · 12-04-2011, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by gearbox

thanks xelnaga- 4 wks and 15 pounds wow..
are you happy withthe results os far?
and you on a clean diet or just watching sodium intake?

Pretty clean. I dont eat out at all and I shop around the edges of the supermarket . So my processed food intake is very low. I have the advantage of living alone so I only stock the healthy food I need, which eliminates cheating.

As far as the prop goes. Its the first time ive ever used a short ester of T. After a month I have decided its the only version of test ill ever take. My mood is 100X better on prop than it was on my previous cycles of test E. I attribute the difference in my ability to inject ED and keep my blood levels very stable.

My goal at this point is to stay around 215-220 and drop a few % off the bf; most likely in preparation for another bulk cycle after my pct.

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 12:40 AM

awesome.. good luck with the % bf drop...thanks man I will hit you up in future with my progess as well...

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 12:41 AM

the test p was just to painful for me..the muscle soreness after I mean..I read and a few guys told me test c is better in that regard..i guess slower easters

**xelnaga** · 12-04-2011, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by gearbox

awesome.. good luck with the % bf drop...thanks man I will hit you up in future with my progess as well...

Def.

**dec11** · 12-04-2011, 12:49 AM

ive it as high as 60mgs.

i found 20mgs gave me a nice boost in strength to compliment my cycle, without the crappy sides associated with 40mgs+

in my experiences of dbol , there is no need to go more than 30mgs.

i once did an oral cocktail of 20mg dbol and 50mg drol. was a nice little cycle on top of my trt

**xelnaga** · 12-04-2011, 12:57 AM

@ Dec- What are your typical stats at the end of a bulk? Purely curious.

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 12:59 AM

thanks dec i am going to do 20mg...
have you ran anadrol and if so how many times and at what dosage?

**LiftSpotter205** · 12-04-2011, 01:02 AM

on my first cycle I took dbol without an anti estrogen while on cycle and didn't experience any puffiness at 50mg a day. And had great gains with deca and Test alongside it.

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 01:04 AM

sweet that is my cycle that I am starting...what was your bf% at the time of cycle..

**OnTheSauce** · 12-04-2011, 01:06 AM

I haven't had really any negative sides. Im running 50mg a day with 750mg of test/week. I think it depends on the person a lot. Im taking .5mg of Adex EOD as well and it really kept the bloat down

**dec11** · 12-04-2011, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by xelnaga

@ Dec- What are your typical stats at the end of a bulk? Purely curious.

heaviest ive been was 238lbs and prob around 13-14% bf. took alot to maintain tbh, i much prefer the 224lbs im at now, i can have sketchy diet days and still sit at this weight. any messing around with diet at 238lbs and the weight seemed to fall away quite quickly

Originally Posted by gearbox

thanks dec i am going to do 20mg...
have you ran anadrol and if so how many times and at what dosage?

ive done drol twice now, no higher than 50mgs each time, the 3wk cocktail with dbol was a cracking run for strength and a nice bit of size. tbh good drol and dbol can be hard to find, my supplier said he wouldnt even sell me the underdose counterfeit crap thats going around these days.

if i ever used either of these again it would be purely for strength, the gains diminish fast after discontinuing. Naposim is HG dbol and prob one of the 'safer' to go for as regarding counterfeiting

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 01:13 AM

i am excited for the strength increase, I enjoyed the winn strength increase but could not handle the joint pain that I got from it..

**Bonaparte** · 12-04-2011, 04:07 AM

If you don't want the puffy look, why are you running the classic bulking cycle?

Deca bloats me like nothing I've ever tried. I've tried everything these past 8 weeks and I can't wait for it to be out of my system.

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 11:01 AM

I don't mind a little puffy I just don't want the weight to go to my face. I gain weight in my face when I am off a clean diet...I want more size and was curious about dosage and what little ai ppl used.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-04-2011, 11:16 AM

i agree with bonapart. the cycle you picked will give most users the bloated face look. There are better things to take if thats something you wanted to avoid

**dec11** · 12-04-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

If you don't want the puffy look, why are you running the classic bulking cycle?

Deca bloats me like nothing I've ever tried. I've tried everything these past 8 weeks and I can't wait for it to be out of my system.

x2, i hate that overrated crap

**stpete** · 12-04-2011, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

If you don't want the puffy look, why are you running the classic bulking cycle?

Deca bloats me like nothing I've ever tried. I've tried everything these past 8 weeks and I can't wait for it to be out of my system.

Exactly....But i don't mind the bloat during winter months.

**stpete** · 12-04-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

If you don't want the puffy look, why are you running the classic bulking cycle?

Deca bloats me like nothing I've ever tried. I've tried everything these past 8 weeks and I can't wait for it to be out of my system.

Exactly....But i don't mind the bloat during winter months.

**stpete** · 12-04-2011, 12:26 PM

Sorry...my computer sucks!

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 12:53 PM

I never read anywhere that deca bloats you...wow..thanks a lot guys for the info

**xelnaga** · 12-04-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

I never read anywhere that deca bloats you...wow..thanks a lot guys for the info

Same .

**gearbox** · 12-04-2011, 01:07 PM

i guess its one of those SIDES some people get or many...

**Bonaparte** · 12-04-2011, 01:22 PM

Most guys hold water from Deca .
It's progestigenic effects greatly enhance the effects of estrogen in the body.
I'm only running 300mg of Deca alongside 300mg of Test and 600mg of Primo + a shitload of Aromasin and I'm still holding water and developing gyno in my left nipple.
**** this evil compound.

The strength and size gains are pretty good, but the bloat, almost untreatable gyno, and increased acne are not worth it to me.

**dec11** · 12-04-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

I never read anywhere that deca bloats you...wow..thanks a lot guys for the info

Originally Posted by xelnaga

Same .

it water logs you, pretty much useless in my books

**dec11** · 12-04-2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Most guys hold water from Deca .
It's progestigenic effects greatly enhance the effects of estrogen in the body.
I'm only running 300mg of Deca alongside 300mg of Test and 600mg of Primo + a shitload of Aromasin and I'm still holding water and developing gyno in my left nipple.
**** this evil compound.

The strength and size gains are pretty good, but the bloat, almost untreatable gyno, and increased acne are not worth it to me.

x2, but it soon disappears after discontinuing