What can i tell my mate so he believes me....

**crakawoody** · 12-19-2011, 03:40 AM

Evening all, I'll start by saying we all do stupid shit except this, I think is the worst by far.

Mate and I are cycling tren , I cbf writing all the stats and shot cause that's not my question,

What I'm asking is, what the hell can I say to my mate so he believes me that he's being bulk retarded.
He's 22 for a start, his diet is absolute rubbish and on the weekend he loves to dabble in meth and mixed amphetamines .... Anything to escape reality he tells me.

To make it worse he obviously has insomnia from it as he either smokes weed or takes prescriptions to make him sleep, e.g. Benzodiazapan and assorted Oxys...

Anyone had this issue or anything like it and found a way help somehow?

**Gym_** · 12-19-2011, 03:48 AM

Sounds like you mate was long lost long ago ...
i have a mate who drinks every day and every night...
Smokies ciggys and bongs and refuses to be told any diftent...
he was my best friend for 30yrs and Ive just had to walk away as sometimes theres nothing you can do and you have to save your self.. misery loves company ive realized that more and more as ive aged ..

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**HellRiserPL** · 12-19-2011, 04:00 AM

Sup man, i'm sure your buddy knows he's not on the best path but he chooses to take it for some reason.
Try to help out, talk, support, don't enable usage, lead an example and idk spend some more time around so maybe you can control some what what he does and try to lead him away from all the negative crap. I know it's easier to say than do but hey if he's your real friend and all u need to try at least. Way he's going now something will go wrong soon, sorry to say, but he is doing dangerous mix of things ( pain meds , amphetamines, roids ). I used to be addicted to amphetamine not meth, but still very strong/addicting stuff and very destructive for your body and mind. All you can do is help as much as you can, your prop ably the only person he talks to about stuff.

**The Bear 79** · 12-19-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by crakawoody

Evening all, I'll start by saying we all do stupid shit except this, I think is the worst by far.

Mate and I are cycling tren , I cbf writing all the stats and shot cause that's not my question,

What I'm asking is, what the hell can I say to my mate so he believes me that he's being bulk retarded.
He's 22 for a start, his diet is absolute rubbish and on the weekend he loves to dabble in meth and mixed amphetamines .... Anything to escape reality he tells me.

To make it worse he obviously has insomnia from it as he either smokes weed or takes prescriptions to make him sleep, e.g. Benzodiazapan and assorted Oxys...

Anyone had this issue or anything like it and found a way help somehow?

Ur using Tren alone, with nothing else? I kno ur worried bout ur friend, but I'm worried bout u bro, did u kno cycling @ ur age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA? ED / limp d!ck, chronic / fatigue & depression, & low or nil libido (sex drive) r just a few of the side effects u may encounter if u cycle too young ESPECIALLY if ur using the most powerful 19 nor available, & without Test. @ that!

**Mads** · 12-19-2011, 08:19 AM

ouch limp dick nasty

**The Titan99** · 12-19-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Ur using Tren alone, with nothing else? I kno ur worried bout ur friend, but I'm worried bout u bro, did u kno cycling @ ur age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA? ED / limp d!ck, chronic / fatigue & depression, & low or nil libido (sex drive) r just a few of the side effects u may encounter if u cycle too young ESPECIALLY if ur using the most powerful 19 nor available, & without Test. @ that!

No doubt!!! You need to worry about yourself. 22 years old on Tren has an almost 100% chance of fvcking you up permanently. You couldn't have picked anything worse to inject short of cyanide. Your buddy adding meth to the equation is like 91 mph on a skateboard compared to your 90. Feature this more than likely scenario. You and your friend getting busted for meth, coming off your idiot Tren cycle in jail with no PCT.... I don't have the patience to explain how that plays out and you obviously didn't do enough research or you wouldn't be touching Tren at your age, but think about being 22 years old with a hormonal problem in county lock up...you get my drift Pat...?

Sure, we all do stupid things, but come on, give me a fvcking break. That's not a blanket cover all excuse for doing something as dumb as what you two are up to.

**DanB** · 12-19-2011, 08:38 AM

your mate needs help not steroids , he just trying to bulk up to hide insecuritys and drugs to supress feelings. . . .stint in rehab is in order there mate, and get off the tren before you do long lasting damage to your hpta (hormones)

**denverpride** · 12-19-2011, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

your mate needs help not steroids, he just trying to bulk up to hide insecuritys and drugs to supress feelings. . . .stint in rehab is in order there mate, and get off the tren before you do long lasting damage to your hpta (hormones)

This is so true. All the non steroids drugs are what needs to be addressed. He has told you that he is using to "escape reality". He has realized this, which is first step. Now you need to start talking help. But it font work unless he wants to change. Has he said that to you

**Times Roman** · 12-19-2011, 09:10 AM

I don't believe your mate can be told anything at this point. A rational dialogue won't cut it if he response is..."anything to escape from reality".

The question i have for you is this....

....why would you want to involve yourself with people that will eventually drag you down to their level?

I've had to say good bye to mates many times over the years when their activity is not conducive to my goals. Why would i want to hang out with a bong sucking, meth sniffing do nothing? You are judged by the company you keep.

The reality is mates come and go. The only thing really constant in your life is YOU.

I think it could be time to reassess this friendship?

What do you think?

**FCVtec** · 12-19-2011, 09:31 AM

Juice, meth and painkiller while cycling?? Why even touch the roids? I doubt he's gaining any muscle mass while using meth and oxy's... One of my buddys started his second cycle a while back and he was gaining a lot of mass and starting to change his body, all of a sudden he starts losing weight and I see all his progress go back to Zero and he kept lying to me saying he was "cutting".. I knew was bullshit, long story short he ran the cycle without gainning anything and I found out he became addicted to oxy's.. Freaking loser, we don't speak no more.

**jasc** · 12-19-2011, 10:57 AM

Sounds like your buddies got an addictive personality and this bout with tren is the next new addition.
I've had a few good friends who have become addicted to various substances ( alcohol, oxy's, coke,heroin). They went from being good healthy guys to becoming a burden on everyone around them. One is now locked up, another I lent him money for rehab and drove him there myself. As soon as I drove away, he taxi'd home n spent the $ on oxy's.
It's a hard situatuon and If he is a good friend, try to do what you can to help/get him some help. I say this because if the problem is ignored and something happens to him, you will regret not helping.
It's hard to walk away from a good friendship, especially in someone's time of need, but after you have done all you can, it's all you can do. Sadly, many people will not change until they hit rock bottom or it's too late.

**dec11** · 12-19-2011, 11:01 AM

this should be posted in The Lounge

**anabolic body** · 12-19-2011, 11:02 AM

Well said tr

**crakawoody** · 12-19-2011, 05:29 PM

Wow fair support, Many things I will try cheers.

When he says to escape reality it's in like a joking kind of way, he has no addictions, just loves being messed up.
When I tell him o stop that shit he says he recovers fine and his body is fine with it, if I made him get a blood test would it help?

I used to love a little bit of speed when I was 18 then stopped when i was over being 64 kgs. Trained for 3 1/2 years did first cycle lost most of it, researched a bit did the second kept all.

Just to clear it up though, my cycle isn't tren alone, as I stated b4 I couldn't be bothered writing everything as I'm on my phone, I usually use TSC and OLM for info but this forum has an app so it's perfect for me on the run. I'm about 24 (dont jump on it i know the risks) and my cycle is on TSC
To be short though...

Test e 500mg ew 1-12
Tren a 575mg 1-8
Hcg 250iu eod
Adex .5mg Ed (works best for me at this)
Prami .25 Ed

pct nolva and clomid

Height 183cms
95kgs
Training 5 years
My food gets prepared for me each day by a mates bodybuilding company. (which is kickass)

Previous cycles
1- test e at 400mg for 10

1-test e at 600mg
Deca at 400mg
For 10 obviously deca finishing first.

No problems at all with any so far
Slight bacne from test, tren is doing exactly what I wanted it to do.
Cut and harden for summer.

**slfmade** · 12-19-2011, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I don't believe your mate can be told anything at this point. A rational dialogue won't cut it if he response is..."anything to escape from reality".

The question i have for you is this....

....why would you want to involve yourself with people that will eventually drag you down to their level?

I've had to say good bye to mates many times over the years when their activity is not conducive to my goals. Why would i want to hang out with a bong sucking, meth sniffing do nothing? You are judged by the company you keep.

The reality is mates come and go. The only thing really constant in your life is YOU.

I think it could be time to reassess this friendship?

What do you think?

^^^I agree 100% with this. I've had to cut ties with friends on several occasions in my life. Most recently it's been due to my recent health style change. All of our friends only like to party, and we don't anymore. So nothing in common. Now let's say it was my brother/sister, or life-long friend...I think A good ass kicking might be in order with the threat of not having me in their life anymore might urge a change. But if it's just a bro you've known for a couple years or so...just let it go.

**Gym_** · 12-19-2011, 06:44 PM

Agree with Slfmade... Cut them lose Ive had to do the same and so has my other mate when he stopped smoking and drinking ..
if ya not careful they will grab hold of you like a drowning swimmer and take you down with them.

Gym_

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**crakawoody** · 12-19-2011, 06:47 PM

I agree with that, yet you have to imagine my mate as part of our group of about 20 people that all hang
Around each other on weekends, everyone loves to party hard and get royally messed up, I if you haven't guessed have stopped that crap an takin more of a liking to training, so I hardly see them anymore, there is perks though, my new surround sound and 59" 3d tv at the end of my bed are to show for the quiet life.
As the rest of the group has no idea what he's on, but I do, I want a way to scare him into stopping the shit and takin a serious look, with rehab and endin friendship out of the question.
Any type of test I can say that would show some damage?

**HellRiserPL** · 12-19-2011, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by crakawoody

I agree with that, yet you have to imagine my mate as part of our group of about 20 people that all hang
Around each other on weekends, everyone loves to party hard and get royally messed up, I if you haven't guessed have stopped that crap an takin more of a liking to training, so I hardly see them anymore, there is perks though, my new surround sound and 59" 3d tv at the end of my bed are to show for the quiet life.
As the rest of the group has no idea what he's on, but I do, I want a way to scare him into stopping the shit and takin a serious look, with rehab and endin friendship out of the question.
Any type of test I can say that would show some damage?

Yeah like i said it's not gonna be easy but if you care about your friend, you will find a way to drive him away from that negative crowd.
So what if you have big tv and surround sound and no friends to enjoy it with.
Sure rest of the group doesn't know what he's doing cuz the don't care, your his real friend not them...
an yeah scare him with mirror in few weeks if he keeps doing what he's doing.

**Times Roman** · 12-19-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by crakawoody

I agree with that, yet you have to imagine my mate as part of our group of about 20 people that all hang
Around each other on weekends, everyone loves to party hard and get royally messed up, I if you haven't guessed have stopped that crap an takin more of a liking to training, so I hardly see them anymore, there is perks though, my new surround sound and 59" 3d tv at the end of my bed are to show for the quiet life.
As the rest of the group has no idea what he's on, but I do, I want a way to scare him into stopping the shit and takin a serious look, with rehab and endin friendship out of the question.
Any type of test I can say that would show some damage?

It's all a part of growing up. You have evolved a little more than your mate. It's sad to say goodbye to that lifestyle. But as you do evolve, you will find that there are better rewards out there than self gratification, the kind that comes from a bong or a bottle. But evolution is a fragile thing, like growing crystals. It requires a certain environment for it happen...

...you shake up that environment, allow chaos and turbulance to remain, and the crystals will not grow.

Raising your babies, in a strong supportive household is one such fragile environment. Probably down the road for you at the moment, but again, it is part of your evolution!

**Jean Claude** · 12-19-2011, 10:46 PM

Steroids are an addiction. I'd rather be addicted to pot than steroids... just sayin.

**slfmade** · 12-19-2011, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

It's all a part of growing up. You have evolved a little more than your mate. It's sad to say goodbye to that lifestyle. But as you do evolve, you will find that there are better rewards out there than self gratification, the kind that comes from a bong or a bottle. But evolution is a fragile thing, like growing crystals. It requires a certain environment for it happen...

...you shake up that environment, allow chaos and turbulance to remain, and the crystals will not grow.

Raising your babies, in a strong supportive household is one such fragile environment. Probably down the road for you at the moment, but again, it is part of your evolution!

And out Jumps TR with some deep freudian psy.

I say punch him in the mouth and tell him he needs to get his shit together or you're out! OR....I guess you can take the more mature route and listen to TR! LOL

**Gym_** · 12-19-2011, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jean Claude

Steroids are an addiction. I'd rather be addicted to pot than steroids... just sayin.

As somone that spent over 20yrs having the 1st breath of the day a bong and the last breath before sleep of a night a cone i would say i could not DISAGREE MORE ..
All i got from that life was the memory of smoking 2 houses and having nothing to show for 30yrs of my life .. i almost fukin cry when i think of what a idot i was..

Now im 40 nest year and ive stoped smoking dope and ciggys and i try and limet my drinking .. i used to live day to day only thinking of the drugs .. .. i had NOTHING everthign i ever own was in the pawn shop..

Im still no were near were i should be but a lest i have a cuple of nice cars and a boat and sone nice kit ....

I WILL NEVER EVER GO BACK TO BEEING A DOP SMOKING FUKING LOSSER EVER AGIAIN !!!!

Gym_

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