Trying for a baby

**jasbinder gill** · 01-10-2012, 11:29 AM

Hey guys, just wanted abit of advice, I have just come off my 2nd course of the year, consisting of ripblend and anavar for 8 weeks, I ran hcg throughout and have now started clomid and nolva for next 4 weeks, along with Proviron at 100mg per day. The problem is few years ago when we were trying for a baby the doctor told me I had a low volume of sperm but what was there was ok, not brilliant, can't remember the exact readings. Anyhow we were considering ivf and the wife got pregnant and then we went onto have another one 18 months after. I wasn't using any aas at that time. But now we want to have another baby I'm just wondering if I have done myself further damage ? Is there anything else that would help during my pct! And how long on average does it take to get the sperm back to normal after a course. Thanks and hope it makes sense. I have read alot of the fertility threads too and found them very informative.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Wait, your using proviron for pct???

**jasbinder gill** · 01-10-2012, 11:55 AM

Yeah, have read many threads where people have taken it to help bring there sperm volume back up and was advised to take it along with my normal pct ! Not a good thing to be doing ?

**alexISthrowed** · 01-10-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by jasbinder gill

Yeah, have read many threads where people have taken it to help bring there sperm volume back up and was advised to take it along with my normal pct ! Not a good thing to be doing ?

This is news to me, It's a very very mild steroid but I would guess that it's mildly suppressive.

**Tigershark** · 01-10-2012, 12:16 PM

You can also use fenugreek as it has been known t increase your sperm as well. Studies even have shown it to boost testosterone in males.

**backinit** · 01-10-2012, 03:03 PM

I would just go get tested. I wasted some time trying when if I just would have gone to doc in the first place I would have figured out there was a problem. The problem was fixed good I now how twins....lol

**Maddawg** · 01-10-2012, 09:23 PM

The best thing for sperm volume and motility other than what you're using is Maca root, definitely helps with mine. As I've said on other threads, my wife and I got pregnant a few weeks after a cycle of mine, basically did the same PCT as you minus the proviron .

**Coolhand5599** · 01-10-2012, 10:52 PM

good luck

**jasbinder gill** · 01-11-2012, 03:15 AM

Thanks lads, will look into that !

**Flier** · 01-11-2012, 03:29 AM

Just happened to read this on Toremifene. A 3 months study of 100 men. 22 mens partners achieved pregnancy, and in all resulted in significant improvements of sperm count, motility, and morphology.
(I am just guessing the results would be similar from another SERM)
Check it out.

"The beneficial effects of toremifene administration on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis and sperm parameters in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia.
Farmakiotis D, Farmakis C, Rousso D, Kourtis A, Katsikis I, Panidis D.
Source
Division of Endocrinology and Human Reproduction, Second Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki, Greece.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To evaluate whether toremifene, a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM), has a beneficiary effect on all three main sperm parameters.
DESIGN:
Prospective interventional clinical study.
SETTING:
University hospital.
PATIENT(S):
One-hundred subfertile men with idiopathic oligozospermia.
INTERVENTION(S):
Toremifene (60 mg daily) was administered to all men for 3 months. At baseline and at the end of each month, serum concentrations of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone , inhibin B, and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) were measured. At baseline and at the end, semen analysis was performed and sperm concentration, spermatozoal motility and normal sperm forms were determined.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S):
Gonadotropin, testosterone, inhibin-B levels, total sperm count, sperm morphology and motility.
RESULT(S):
Toremifene administration resulted in a significant increase in FSH, testosterone, SHBG, and inhibin B levels, as well as in sperm concentration, percentage motility and normal sperm forms. Twenty-two men's partners achieved pregnancy within 2 months of the end of treatment. At the end of the third month, serum FSH levels were significantly higher in the men whose partners did not achieve pregnancy, and total sperm count and normal sperm forms were significantly lower compared with the group of men whose partners achieved pregnancy.
CONCLUSION(S):
Toremifene administration for a period of 3 months in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia is associated with significant improvements of sperm count, motility, and morphology, mediated by increased gonadotropin secretion and possibly a direct beneficial effect of toremifene on the testes. The above findings are also indicative of a better testicular exocrine (improved sperm parameters) response to treatment in men whose partners achieved pregnancy compared with those who did not. Further randomized, placebo-controlled trials should be conducted to determine whether this particular selective estrogen receptor modulator can be useful as an initial approach in men with oligozoospermia.