Test Phenypropionate

[juicejunky]

Has anyone had some good results with this test? I have tried finding more out on these boards but im retarded when it comes to forums even with the search i wasnt finding much out. I was thinking of taking it for my next cycle instead of test e, i wanted to mix some HGH with it too with some deca but i need to read up a lot more when it comes to hgh because im not sure exactly if i need to take t4 and igf and if i do what doses, i've done a few cycles before and i really never have much sides besides cramping with winstrol and hair loss with test prop this last cycle i used propecia with the test e and had a little loss but nothing to complain about. but anyways about the test pp any help would be much appreciated.

[markdbg]

not used very often/ somewhat hard to find where live. def the most unused test of them all. i dont see the point in it when i have test susp,prop or long esters. it has the same half life as test prop so u can shoot it ed or eod,e3d is a bit of stretch but will work, blood levels wont be 100% and result wise. ull see the same results as any other test, just less water retention then E or C. so aka its the same as prop.

as for hgh u dont need to take t4 or igf with it. but u will need to do lots of research before u take it/waste ur hard earned money

[Userat204]

Phenylpropionate is just another ester. Half life is 3-5 days. I would still inject 3 times a week. Test is test. None of them are different. The ester only determines the number of injects needed in a week to maintain serum levels.

If you want to use it and have access then go for it. Nandrolone has a phenylpropionate ester as well, NPP. I love npp, but I haven't found it to be any different than deca besides number of injects.

If you plan to use propecia with deca, you will be wasting your time. Some claim it will accelerate hairloss, but the lack of conversion will make deca basically about the same as test in terms of hair loss, if you are prone to MPB. Deca is mild on the hair because of 5-AR conversion of DHT to DHN. So I would leave the finasteride out and use rogain foam and nizarol shampoo.

[felk87]

Hey guys, how about you ask for stats before you give out advice??? Thanks. Op what are your stats, age,height, weight, goals?

[alexISthrowed]

test pp should be shot eod bear minimum, I hear it hurts like a bitch. I wanna say half life is a day shorter than prop. I would stick with prop, it's cheaper.

[The Bear 79]

And again, in sweeps alexis 2 undermine the legitimate concern & effort of another member, with his only apparent concern being pain & price. Who cares if the OP has underlying issues that need attn b4 cycling rite...................

[alexISthrowed]

And again, in sweeps alexis 2 undermine the legitimate concern & effort of another member, with his only apparent concern being pain & price. Who cares if the OP has underlying issues that need attn b4 cycling rite...................

First of all bro it's alexandra, alexis is a bitch name. You need to watch yourself bud, I know for a fact your getting on more than just my nerves. If you value your place at this forum I suggest you ease up on the flaming.

[The Bear 79]

I'm not flaming u, & I kno 4 a fact, I'm not the only 1 that thinks ur cocky & constantly in a hurry 2 undermine every1, Any1 that goes thru ur post history, or even just follows ur posts for an hr or 2, can clearly c that. Ur not as special as u think u r.

[The Bear 79]

Bak on trak now. OP, our advice 2 u would b a lot safer, if we knew mor about u, we can c that ur 30 yrs old, but how tall r u? How much do u weigh? Wut is ur BF%? Wut r ur goals?

[alexISthrowed]

I'm not flaming u, & I kno 4 a fact, I'm not the only 1 that thinks ur cocky & constantly in a hurry 2 undermine every1, Any1 that goes thru ur post history, or even just follows ur posts for an hr or 2, can clearly c that. Ur not as special as u think u r.

Please explain to me how calling me alexis or tuff guy is not flaming?

[FireGuy]

Bak on trak now. OP, our advice 2 u would b a lot safer, if we knew mor about u, we can c that ur 30 yrs old, but how tall r u? How much do u weigh? Wut is ur BF%? Wut r ur goals?

Just FYI Bear, this isnt Twitter and there are no character limits. Feel free to use vowels at will.

[The Bear 79]

OK, I'll admit, u got me there, I didn't think of that as flaming, but I can c how its considered flaming, Sorry. But I still don't like the way u undermine any1 u can, every chance u get.

[FireGuy]

And again, in sweeps alexis 2 undermine the legitimate concern & effort of another member, with his only apparent concern being pain & price. Who cares if the OP has underlying issues that need attn b4 cycling rite...................

The OP asked for members to elaborate on THIER experinces when using the two. Alex answered with HIS experience. Why are you having an issue with this?

[The Bear 79]

Just FYI Bear, this isnt Twitter and there are no character limits. Feel free to use vowels at will.

Just FYI FireGuy, I don't use Twitter or any other social network other than this 1. I type this way cuz its faster & I don't hav 2 b proper here. Funny how people take cheap shots at stupid stuff like that, but read it just fine. Just shows how child like som people can b.

[The Bear 79]

The OP asked for members to elaborate on THIER experinces when using the two. Alex answered with HIS experience. Why are you having an issue with this?

1st of all, alex has no exp with this compound, if u read his post again u will clearly c that. And 2nd, telling the OP 2 "stick with the Prop." is cycle advice, & he did so after another member asked 4 the OP's stats, how do we kno the OP isn't 30 or 40% BF or how do we kno he's not a 120 lbs. stick that eats once or twice a day? FireGuy ur 1 of the last people I will argue with, but alex is in the rong & u & every1 else knows it.

[DanB]

i think this is getting out of hand, not just here but there is alot of argueing on the board lately in general and this doing nothing for the board and im not pointing fingers at anybody as i myself am sometimes guilty of giving advise to people who shouldnt be cycling but mabey it might help the board if some sort of offical guidelines are drawn up as to giving advise, just my .02

[alexISthrowed]

i think this is getting out of hand and is doing nothing for the board and im not pointing fingers at anybody as i myself am sometimes guilty of giving advise to people who shouldnt be cycling but mabey it might help the board if some sort of offical guidelines are drawn up as to giving advise, just my .02

This guy has done multiple cycles, he didn't ask for anyone to lay him out a cycle he just wanted opinions on test pp. No need to babysit here imo. Bear has been derailing numerous threads lately, he is doing nothing but digging his own grave.

[felk87]

Bro bear, i really dont know whats going on with you lately, i been on here maybe a month, but ive read this forum for around two years, you have always been a chill dude who gives great advise, never really seen you flamming people or anything, but it seems the last few days you just wana call people out for dumb reasons, i respect your knowledge but i dont get what has changed you so much. Like a lot of members are saying bro lay off a bit, you have been going bananas on a lot of vets as well and i think we can all agree that this forum needs to be a productive tool for people to be informed, not a battle to see who knows.more or flamming people. Im telling you this out respect, you take it how you want it but i mean it in a good way.

[DanB]

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[DanB]

This guy has done multiple cycles, he didn't ask for anyone to lay him out a cycle he just wanted opinions on test pp. No need to babysit here imo. Bear has been derailing numerous threads lately, he is doing nothing but digging his own grave.

yes ok the op is fine and i wasnt talking about you specifically, ive seen newbies who may not have even cycled before giving advise to someone on a test deca dbol cycle, laying the whole thing out for him, sometimes with wrong info and not asking stats and then the op turns out to be 18, and its 6 or 7 posts later that this is found out when someone like yourself or bear chimes in, im not having a go at anybody here but there is sometimes some very dodgy info being given out and mabey some offical guidelines could stop this and mabey stop some arguements, not this one but some others

[juicejunky]

ok thanks for all the advise guys didnt know it was gonna get controversial lol but my stats are
30
6'4
250lbs
22% bf
One of the reasons i was asking is ive taken prop before and the injection hurt like hell felt like i was injecting a peanut butter ball or something and within two days noticed a great increase in hair falling out. thats why i use propecia its not for the deca but the test i dont run a cycle anymore without at least a test base. With the feedback ive gotten on test pp i think i might stay clear and just get test e again i was thinking dbol or anadrol with deca test e and tren e i dont like shooting ed because my left glute is off limits due to sciatic nerve issues so that limits my spots to inject. i'll run hcg with the cycle as well and im not prone to gyno at all so i wont be using any nolva unless it becomes an issue i have some from my last cycle. I have an appt the 30th to have my blood levels tested my last injection of test e was christmas and i've been running clomid starting the 21st day after that. Thanks again for the help guys

[gixxerboy1]

not used very often/ somewhat hard to find where live. def the most unused test of them all. i dont see the point in it when i have test susp,prop or long esters. it has the same half life as test prop so u can shoot it ed or eod,e3d is a bit of stretch but will work, blood levels wont be 100% and result wise. ull see the same results as any other test, just less water retention then E or C. so aka its the same as prop.

as for hgh u dont need to take t4 or igf with it. but u will need to do lots of research before u take it/waste ur hard earned money

That is not correct. You need to run t4 with HGH

[juicejunky]

oh btw the goals are to get to 270 with a clean diet just high calories and high protein and then do a cutting cycle with some anavar maybe.

[felk87]

oh btw the goals are to get to 270 with a clean diet just high calories and high protein and then do a cutting cycle with some anavar maybe.

Bro bf is a bit high, why not get a diet plan on track, hit the gym 5 days a week with 4-5 days of cardio for a few monthz...get your bf down to 13-15 bf and cycle if you still want to...a lot of things can go wrong when you are 22% bf...just imo.

[felk87]

oh btw the goals are to get to 270 with a clean diet just high calories and high protein and then do a cutting cycle with some anavar maybe.

Bro bf is a bit high, why not get a diet plan on track, hit the gym 5 days a week with 4-5 days of cardio for a few monthz...get your bf down to 13-15 bf and cycle if you still want to...a lot of things can go wrong when you are 22% bf...just imo.

[FireGuy]

1st of all, alex has no exp with this compound, if u read his post again u will clearly c that. And 2nd, telling the OP 2 "stick with the Prop." is cycle advice, & he did so after another member asked 4 the OP's stats, how do we kno the OP isn't 30 or 40% BF or how do we kno he's not a 120 lbs. stick that eats once or twice a day? FireGuy ur 1 of the last people I will argue with, but alex is in the rong & u & every1 else knows it.

He said "I" would stick with the Prop as opposed to "If I were you". Regardless I dont want to split hairs over this. At the end of the day this is a Question and Answer Forum. To expect every member to post up a personal resume prior to getting any kind of answer is unrealistic and just deters many members from posting. Yes, there is a search button but if everyone used it for every question there wouldnt be a need to post anything. It's not often we get a question that hasnt already been addressed. I am by no means suggesting detailed cycle advice be given to anyone without some background information on them.

I think the line is drawn by asking the question, are you answering a question or giving advice?
You seem to have a broad knowledge base Bear and it's obvious you want to help. Unfortunately you are starting to remind me and others of another recently banned member. He seemed to think it was his job to screen every member who asks a question and get pissed at anyone who dared offer their own advice if you didnt think it was warranted. You also come across as if your opinions are fact and everyone elses opinions are opinions. Healthy debates are the best thing about any forum on the board but these can only exist when their is mutual respect amongst everyone posting.

[felk87]

oh btw the goals are to get to 270 with a clean diet just high calories and high protein and then do a cutting cycle with some anavar maybe.

Bro bf is a bit high, why not get a diet plan on track, hit the gym 5 days a week with 4-5 days of cardio for a few monthz...get your bf down to 13-15 bf and cycle if you still want to...a lot of things can go wrong when you are 22% bf...just imo.

[felk87]

He said "I" would stick with the Prop as opposed to "If I were you". Regardless I dont want to split hairs over this. At the end of the day this is a Question and Answer Forum. To expect every member to post up a personal resume prior to getting any kind of answer is unrealistic and just deters many members from posting. Yes, there is a search button but if everyone used it for every question there wouldnt be a need to post anything. It's not often we get a question that hasnt already been addressed. I am by no means suggesting detailed cycle advice be given to anyone without some background information on them.

I think the line is drawn by asking the question, are you answering a question or giving advice?

You seem to have a broad knowledge base Bear and it's obvious you want to help. Unfortunately you are starting to remind me and others of another recently banned member. He seemed to think it was his job to screen every member who asks a question and get pissed at anyone who dared offer their own advice if you didnt think it was warranted. You also come across as if your opinions are fact and everyone elses opinions are opinions. Healthy debates are the best thing about any forum on the board but these can only exist when their is mutual respect amongst everyone posting.

^^^agreed+++healthy debates provide different angles, therefore if the op is smart enough he can take all the different angles of info and make his own educated decision.

[juicejunky]

felk my bf is kind of high but i thought with this cycle eating right and the workouts would bring it down, it happen on my last cycle i dropped bf and gained a lot of muscle im not where i want my bf right now but i also want to bulk up a bit more then drop the bf even lower, can u tell me what kind of problems i might be looking at starting another cycle with my bf that high? i dont suffer from high bp or anything, im just trying to figure out if this is gonna be a real concern or something i can work around thanks again

[felk87]

felk my bf is kind of high but i thought with this cycle eating right and the workouts would bring it down, it happen on my last cycle i dropped bf and gained a lot of muscle im not where i want my bf right now but i also want to bulk up a bit more then drop the bf even lower, can u tell me what kind of problems i might be looking at starting another cycle with my bf that high? i dont suffer from high bp or anything, im just trying to figure out if this is gonna be a real concern or something i can work around thanks again

bro for what i have read and learned, because i by no means are a guru like many of these vets are, i know higher bf% means higher risk of heart attack due to the cholesterol that gets raised by the aas, also bp is increassed, and heart rate is also increased, many people say it also increases your chances of gyno, but from ready post by gurus here i came to the conclusion that gyno is a side that you are either prone to it or not. some people can be 30% bf and never get gyno, and other can be 5% and get it after their first pin. there is another thread about this, im currently looking for a awesome thread that actually shows the study that bf hasnothing to do with gyno, people are just prone or not. but basically your lipids will raise and there just is more risk, and i was in your same shoes back in Dec. i wanted to start my cycle, but many vets told me to get my self on check before. i went to the nutrition diet got awesome advice on how to lose that extra bf% went from 18% to 13% by the 9th of Jan, the same day i started my cycle. i also got blood work done pre cycle to make sure i was in good standing, i ran it by some vets here they gave me the ok and i started. what helped me the most is listening and learning from the vets, they know what they are talking about, no matter how shytti the advice is because you want to hear something else, its the right advice. just IMO id say wait go to the nutrition section, they will hook you up with a useful and attractive diet that will shed fat and make you healthier.

[felk87]

o and by the way i deff see what people say about bp, hr increase. some times i wake up feeling like i just got done running, i go to walmart every week and get my bp and see the difference from before i cycled.

[juicejunky]

Ok ill check that out I'm not in a big rush to start I mean I am but I'm not lol thanks for the advise

[The Bear 79]

Bro bear, i really dont know whats going on with you lately, i been on here maybe a month, but ive read this forum for around two years, you have always been a chill dude who gives great advise, never really seen you flamming people or anything, but it seems the last few days you just wana call people out for dumb reasons, i respect your knowledge but i dont get what has changed you so much. Like a lot of members are saying bro lay off a bit, you have been going bananas on a lot of vets as well and i think we can all agree that this forum needs to be a productive tool for people to be informed, not a battle to see who knows.more or flamming people. Im telling you this out respect, you take it how you want it but i mean it in a good way.

This has nothing to do with a battle of knowledge, alex is reckless & careless & his post history proves it, he may have an abundance of knowledge, but this forum strongly promotes safety & health as well, alex doesn't seem to be on board with that, & I've reached my limit with him & others like him. But I have also recently receive some good advice from a long time, valued member as well as a few others, they have expressed their desire to see me stay & have suggested a few adjustments that I have every intention of making.

[Bonaparte]

bro for what i have read and learned, because i by no means are a guru like many of these vets are, i know higher bf% means higher risk of heart attack due to the cholesterol that gets raised by the aas, also bp is increassed, and heart rate is also increased, many people say it also increases your chances of gyno, but from ready post by gurus here i came to the conclusion that gyno is a side that you are either prone to it or not. some people can be 30% bf and never get gyno, and other can be 5% and get it after their first pin. there is another thread about this, im currently looking for a awesome thread that actually shows the study that bf hasnothing to do with gyno, people are just prone or not. but basically your lipids will raise and there just is more risk, and i was in your same shoes back in Dec. i wanted to start my cycle, but many vets told me to get my self on check before. i went to the nutrition diet got awesome advice on how to lose that extra bf% went from 18% to 13% by the 9th of Jan, the same day i started my cycle. i also got blood work done pre cycle to make sure i was in good standing, i ran it by some vets here they gave me the ok and i started. what helped me the most is listening and learning from the vets, they know what they are talking about, no matter how shytti the advice is because you want to hear something else, its the right advice. just IMO id say wait go to the nutrition section, they will hook you up with a useful and attractive diet that will shed fat and make you healthier.

Higher levels of bodyfat will increase estrogen levels. This is inarguable.
The genetic factor just determines the severity and type of hormonal imbalance needed to cause breast tissue growth.

[The Bear 79]

BTW alex, I'm sure you've noticed now, the Op's BF is 22%, & this is EXACTLY why I try so hard to get you & others to get stats before advice, & not just go over other members heads when they ask for stats. It just so happens this thread perfectly proved my point.

[alexISthrowed]

BTW alex, I'm sure you've noticed now, the Op's BF is 22%, & this is EXACTLY why I try so hard to get you & others to get stats before advice, & not just go over other members heads when they ask for stats. It just so happens this thread perfectly proved my point.

I never gave him any cycle advice, and I would not say I'm reckless with my advice.

[felk87]

Bro i will say alex has helped me out a lot, just as you and other vets have ...thats why when some one has an opinion i show respect, either way i thank all in this forum for helping me and other and i think there is no need to argue we are all in the same boat, we want to get a better physic and want to do it safe so lets just agree to disagree and respect one and other.

[The Bear 79]

I never gave him any cycle advice, and I would not say I'm reckless with my advice.

"I would stick with prop" in other words, you suggest / advise, he use the Prop. instead of the Phenypropionate. & u did so, before you knew he was 7% over the recommended BF. You have done this several times.....................Reckless.

[alexISthrowed]

"I would stick with prop" in other words, you suggest / advise, he use the Prop. instead of the Phenypropionate. & u did so, before you knew he was 7% over the recommended BF. You have done this several times.....................Reckless.

Your really stretching what I said here. I'm done arguing about this, this thread has gone way too far off topic.

[gixxerboy1]

Holy shit drop it. the poor OP there is more fighting then talking to him in this thread