which cycle would give me more lean muscle gains ?????????

[nutrition7771]

okay so for next cycle i have 2 ideas
cycle no.1
week 1-12 sustanon 500mg a week mon/thurs
week 1-10 deca durabolin 500mg a week mon/thurs
week 1-8 anavar 100mg a day
week 8-14 winstrol 60mg a day
week 14-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
week 14-18 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

OR

week 1-10 enanthate 250mg a week
week 1-8 propionate 100mg eod
week 1-8 tren -A 75mg eod
week 1-8 anavar 100mg a day
week 12-16 clomid 100/100/50/50
week 12-16 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

now im guessing cycle no.1 will give me more gains but which cycle would be better for lean & more permenant gains ??

cheers

[FireGuy]

Sust at 500mgs per week is pretty much the exact same thing as Prop and Enanthate combining to 500mgs per week. (you realize Sust has Enanthate and Prop in it right) If you cancel everything else out that's equal you are asking to compare Tren A vs Winstrol and Deca . Whether or not your gains are "lean" is going to be dependant upon your diet. Nothing in either cycle is going to influence permenant gains over the other either.

[nutrition7771]

yea i know its all about your diet/training just i also know some steroids give more water retention, i think i will go with option one as its cheaper for me slightly and also i dont know if im ready for tren . does cycle 1 look a good cycle yes ? cheers fireguy

[nutrition7771]

bump

[felk87]

Why three orals for option one, to me thats to much stress on the liver.

[nutrition7771]

thers only 2 orals in option one, and i wouldnt be running them together at the same time.

[felk87]

Yeah your right, still orals for 14 weeks back to back sounds effy, not that others dont do it, but i just dont find to appealing. do one of them and up your cardio more, i would do var if you can afford it for 8 weeks and make sure is real.

[nutrition7771]

yea i love anavar , i can do 8 weeks at 100mg ed for £120 which is a good price & i know my source if reliable as i used him beofre for me & freinds. but i shall see how i feel as i probally will use the winny after if i was to do cycle one.

[DanB]

you need edit out the prices mate its against the rules on this board

[BBrian]

As far as your concern of water retention, using an AI will control that. You shouldn't let bloating dictate which compounds you use, but rather their anabolic potentials. Also, be easy with the question mark. Your titles hurt my eyes.

[nutrition7771]

is deca a good thing to stack with test then yes to help gain a few extra pounds lbm ???