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  1. 02-19-2012, 02:09 PM #1
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    Some Gyno Symptoms - Any advise?

    Hi. I am 3 weeks into what is a Sustanon 250 course. I have been taking total of 500mg a week over two 1ml shots on a Tuesday and Friday. As I said I have just completed my third week but have started to have some very minor gyno symptoms. My nipples have gone a little tender and there are two small lumps behind my nipples. These symptoms are very very minor at the minute luckily but I am paranoid they will get worse. Luckily if got some tamoxifen (nolva) to hand and have just started taking it. I took 80mg over the first day (yesterday) and have now reduced it to 40mg today. From what I have read I should run the 40mg a day until the symptoms subside then reduce it even further to 20mg a day until the end of the course, at which point I will start my pct as planned.

    I am interested to hear from anyone else who has had any gyno symptoms in the past and how the tackled the issue and what was the outcome.

    Am just looking to pick you guy brains and get some re assurance this sounds like a sound plan. Any suggestions would be greatly received. Anbody who thinks I should do something difference again please chip in.
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  2. 02-19-2012, 02:27 PM #2
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    Wow. Gyno lumps after 3 weeks. You must be pretty sensitive. Not to be captain hindsight, but next time you should run and AI. In fact I would order one if you plan on finishing this cycle.
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  3. 02-19-2012, 02:30 PM #3
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    I know im very suprised myself, in fact am a bit suspicious im over reacting but better safe than sorry. Especially as Ive (stupidly) ran courses in the past, higher sus dosage along side deca , with no PCT what so ever had had no gyno at all!

    Gonna make myself sound even more stupid now but whats AI.
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  4. 02-19-2012, 03:45 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie1980 View Post
    I know im very suprised myself, in fact am a bit suspicious im over reacting but better safe than sorry. Especially as Ive (stupidly) ran courses in the past, higher sus dosage along side deca , with no PCT what so ever had had no gyno at all!

    Gonna make myself sound even more stupid now but whats AI.
    Several cycles, currently on cycle, and no understanding of what an AI is. Truly shocking. Research aromotase inhibitors.
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  5. 02-19-2012, 03:56 PM #5
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    Fair point but, no point in dwelling on it. So I have done a little research, Am thinking I should run some arimidex a long side the nolva. Any thoughts?
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  6. 02-19-2012, 04:23 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie1980 View Post
    Fair point but, no point in dwelling on it. So I have done a little research, Am thinking I should run some arimidex a long side the nolva. Any thoughts?
    I would order arimidex and letrozole . See how the arimidex and nolva work on the gyno. If you see no improvement I would drop the hammer and run letro. I don't play around with gyno- time is of the essence.
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  7. 02-19-2012, 04:23 PM #7
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    If it is gyno and has set in I'm not sure an AI will help! Nolvadex to reverse gyno, and the AI should be ran from day 1 of the cycle.
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  8. 02-19-2012, 04:30 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyD View Post
    If it is gyno and has set in I'm not sure an AI will help! Nolvadex to reverse gyno, and the AI should be ran from day 1 of the cycle.
    Wrong.
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  9. 02-19-2012, 04:45 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by xelnaga View Post
    Wrong.
    whats wrong about this? Im reading this thread to learn about AI and PCT so Im curious if you can elaborate, thanks
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  10. 02-19-2012, 05:01 PM #10
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    An AI like arimidex or aromasin will get your estrogen under control but they won't have much if any effect on existing gyno.

    To shrink or eliminate existing gyno you must starve it of estrogen, the most effective way of doing this IMO is tamox. 20mg everyday until 10 days past gyno is gone. If 20mg doesn't start to shrink it or make it less sensitive after 7 days then up it to 40mg.
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  11. 02-19-2012, 05:36 PM #11
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    An AI can be used just as effectively to starve gyno of estrogen. However you will also be starving your body as a whole simultaneously.
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    An AI like anastrozole or exemestane would have to be run at a ridiculously high dose to have any effect on pre-existing gyno.

    Serms are much more effective and if I can rid my gyno and avoid feeling like absolute shit (letro) then I would try that first.
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  13. 02-19-2012, 08:23 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman View Post
    An AI like anastrozole or exemestane would have to be run at a ridiculously high dose to have any effect on pre-existing gyno.

    Serms are much more effective and if I can rid my gyno and avoid feeling like absolute shit (letro) then I would try that first.
    Agreed.
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  14. 02-20-2012, 09:04 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by xelnaga

    Wrong.
    So what is wrong with my post, you agree with sarge but I'm wrong?
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