testosterone c250 (cypionate) questions

[al123]

hello im a newbie herr i'm 6'1 I weight 215 I just lost 15 pounds a bit flabby I'm about to do my first cycle ever on testosterone c250 cypionate . I would like to know if I should be taking supplements along with it to make my cycle healthy. is this a Roid something ill get results from and also what type of workouts should I do. i want to be strong, cut up and lean

[titan13]

How old are you, and how long have you been in the gym? Have you looked into pct yet? Also welcome .

[al123]

I'm 25 I been in the gym going on to three years but I did take some time off after my first child was born. And no I haven't looked up pct and in what way can it help

[blksavage]

I would do more research and lucky for you your in the right place

[blksavage]

by the way pct is "post cycle therapy "and its very important

[al123]

So is what I'm taking a good Roid? Do I need to be taking anything else besides liver care?

[al123]

Is there a specific pct per steroid ?

[redz]

So is what I'm taking a good Roid? Do I need to be taking anything else besides liver care?

Well at high bf% you are at higher risk of gyno as well as high blood pressure. Sounds like you are looking for the easy way when in reality you need to get your diet straightened out if you are "a bit flabby". PCT is critical and if you don`t understand it fully and have it ready you 100% should not cycle.

[stpete]

A little more time in the gym while doing more research on AAS and PCT would prove invaluable before embarking on a cycle right now. Do that first, then lay out a complete cycle including PCT. This way you know firsthand of the compounds you will be putting in your body.

As far as supplements, liver protection is always good and i really just take a multi vitamin along w/vit c and some b's.

Good Luck

[al123]

I'm at 16% bf and by flabby I mean my stomach is not the best looking.

[titan13]

Look into nolvadex and clomid for pct. Also look into running a ai on cycle ( arimidex or aromason). Check out hcg . Make sure you have everything on hand before you start your cycle, whenever you think your ready.

[al123]

Is there any other anti estrogen that will give good results like nolvadex but cheaper?

[BBrian]

Is there any other anti estrogen that will give good results like nolvadex but cheaper?

You will want to save Nolvadex for after your cycle (PCT). While on cycle you should take either Aromasin or Arimidex , and they are typically fairly inexpensive.

[al123]

so does any one know if this is going to give me results or is it weak?

[songdog]

Like the man said do some research you dont have a clue on wat you are doing.Aas is more that sticking a pin in your ash.You can really mess yourself up.

[leather daddy]

of couse its going to give u results assuming ur diet is on check and ur gear is not bunk gear. But honestly you have no idea what your doing. U dont have a PCT or an Ai. Do more reseach

[blksavage]

are you seriously not worried about making a mistake

[DeadlyD]

Please listen to the advise you were offered! Spend the next couple months reading and learning, there us soooo much to learn on this subject! Good luck and welcome!

[Brohim]

I'm at 16% bf and by flabby I mean my stomach is not the best looking.

you need to get some Ldex (AI) some clomid and Nolvadex (SERMS) and some HCG for your ball shrinkage. All part of PCT.

[Brohim]

As far as supplements, the biggest thing you need is a good diet plan. You can change your body a lot in 12 weeks if you have a good diet and workout plan. Go to the diet section and put one together while waiting for your gear. Find a workout program as well and you will be all set. Read up more on AI's and SERMS.


AI's (Aromatase Inhibitors) : There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT . Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels.


Aromasin (Exemestane) : This drug is classified as a Type I Suicide AI. It binds to the aromatase enzyme and kills it. It is effective at lowering estrogen up to 85%. Once again, you have to watch out for your cholesterol levels. Used mainly for cutting when low estrogen levels are desired. Aromasin is shown to help bone density. Clinical doses are about 25mg a day, but it has been shown that as little as 2.5mg a day can be as effective.

Lentaron (Formestane) : A Type I Suicide AI. Lentaron is not classified as a drug, and can be sold over the counter as a suppliment. Not as strong as the third generation AIs (arimidex , femera). Can lower estrogen by about 60%. Used as an injectable, it is dosed at about 250mg every 2 weeks. Due to poor bioavailability, daily doses of oral Lentaron are about 250mg.

Arimidex (Anastrozole) : This is a widely used type II AI. It competes with estrogen for the aromatase enzyme. This effectively lowers estrogen up to 80% in the blood. Approved for use in 1995 to fight breast cancer. At doses up to 1mg a day, it has been shown to be very effective at controlling estrogen while on cycle or in PCT . It is usefull for curbing the effects that come with aromatizing AAS's while in cycle , and can be used in PCT . Nolvadex is shown to decrease the effectiveness of Arimidex when used together. In this case a suicide inhibitor may be more well suited, like in PCT . It is also called L-dex, in its liquid form.

Femera (Letrozole ) : Letro is a competative Type II AI also. Also farely new compared to other compounds, it is shown to be effective at lowering estrogen by blocking the aromatase enzyme. Doses up to 2.5mg a day are used, but usually as low as .5mg a day can be just as effective. Clinical studies show Femera to lower estrogen by 75-78%. Once again, watch out for you blood lipids (cholesterol) to get out of whack. There may a noted rebound effect of estrogen levels that goes along with Letro use.

[AD]

read the educational section first. lots of beginner's cycles already spelled out there, dosages, timings, pct, and even injection techniques. read the EDUCATIONAL section!

[al123]

so I did some research and this is what I would be taking during my cycle

testosterone c250
liquid aromasin (ai)
liver care
hcg (preynyl) starting the last 4 weeks of the cycle and continue till pct

and for pct
nolvadex and clomid
also continuing the hcg

I don't have the measurements downpack so please just repond based on the things I need for cycle and pct. is this good enough for my first cycle or is there more I should add?

[DanB]

drop the hcg for pct, personally i would start week 1 of week 3-4 at very latest

what doses are you running for pct and whats the start time? if you dont know the answers then these are things you need to look into

what dose of hcg and dose of a.i.?

its all in the pct section if your struggling to find it

i wouldnt bother with the liver care unless your running orals

[DanB]

and yes thats everything for first cycle you dont need add anything else except plenty of steak and oats

[al123]

I was going to work on the dose part next lol just wanted to make sure that's all the gear I need. Also going by what it said on the pct section it says wait 18 days after the last injection to start pct so what am I suppose to do in between that time continue the hcg ?

[BBrian]

I was going to work on the dose part next lol just wanted to make sure that's all the gear I need. Also going by what it said on the pct section it says wait 18 days after the last injection to start pct so what am I suppose to do in between that time continue the hcg?

The time between your last injection and PCT depends on the ester you use and the dose. With the amount of cypionate you'll be injecting, you should be safe to begin PCT 15 days after the last injection. In the mean time you really can't do much at all, aside from continuing with HCG and taking an AI to prevent estrogen rebound while you wait to start taking Nolvadex , which effectively blocks the estrogen receptor and prevents estro side effects. Just make sure that you maintain a proper diet and exercise routine while you wait. This is why I never end a cycle with a long ester. I always spend the final two weeks injecting propionate , then after only 4 days I can go straight to PCT which will help with maintaining muscle mass instead of having to deal with dwindling testosterone levels . And like DanB pointed out, do not take HCG while taking Nolvadex and Clomid, as they will actually interfere with each other.

[al123]

i read some where that this is a good amounth of dose for a start

Nova : 20/20/20/20
clomid : 100/100/50/50

but can someone explain what does it mean 20ml or 20mg per week?

[BBrian]

i read some where that this is a good amounth of dose for a start

Nova : 20/20/20/20
clomid : 100/100/50/50

but can someone explain what does it mean 20ml or 20mg per week?

Actually the Nolvadex should be 40/40/20/20. It should be tapered just as the Clomid is.

And it's 40, 20, 100, and 50 milligrams per DAY, not week. So if you have a bottle that has 200mg/ml, and is a 10ml bottle, you have ten(10) 200mg doses.

[al123]

four times a day basically?

[BBrian]

four times a day basically?

No, 40mg of Nolvadex every day for 2 weeks, then 20mg every day for 2 weeks.

[Brohim]

The HCG comes in 5,000iu vials. So grab a couple vials and take 300iu or so twice a week starting the 2nd week. Then you can use one vial for PCT while your waiting those 2 weeks for the test to clear. You can do 1,250iu twice a week. So 4 shot's total.

[al123]

how much aromasin dosage should I be taking and how often during my cycle? also if aromasin comes in a pill will I have to cut it in half?

[DanB]

how much aromasin dosage should I be taking and how often during my cycle? also if aromasin comes in a pill will I have to cut it in half?

Start at 12.5mg eod and increase if necessary to 12.5mg ed

If you have to break a pill or not well it depends how its dosed

[al123]

Its a 25mg pill so cutting it in half should doit

[BBrian]

The HCG comes in 5,000iu vials. So grab a couple vials and take 300iu or so twice a week starting the 2nd week. Then you can use one vial for PCT while your waiting those 2 weeks for the test to clear. You can do 1,250iu twice a week. So 4 shot's total.

I find that the most uncomplicated way to dose a 5000iu bottle of HCG is as follows;

Mix the HCG powder with 20ml of BAC. 1cc from this batch will equal 250iu, which is the most common dose, and will give you 20 injections in total. So inject 1cc of this every Monday morning and Thursday evening.

[al123]

Anyone know where I can get aromasin for cheap? Cheapest I've seen was $71

[al123]

with fast shipping I been looking around and a lot of places say it takes up to 3 weeks

[DanB]

Anyone know where I can get aromasin for cheap? Cheapest I've seen was $71

we cant help you on that mate, we cant discuss sources, ugl, research chem sites etc

but alot of research chem sites have bunk products/underdosed products so personally I think for something like aromasin then pharm grade is way to go, or at very least a generic, estrogen is not something you want to fvck around with

[al123]

Is oral hcg as effective as the injectable ones?

[DanB]

no it isnt hcg at all

if you dont inject it then it isnt hcg

it isnt possible for it to be taken orally