I need help understanding tren

**EpyoN** · 03-15-2012, 10:06 AM

I'm having a hard time understanding why non-aromatizing compounds like tren and winstrol produce such harsh sides when coming off. If most of the androgens aren't capable of converting to estrogen, what's the problem? I've been reading up on tren and it's around 5x as receptive as test and it doesn't aromatize. Sounds like a miracle drug to me, but everyone tells noobs to stay away. Why is this?

**gixxerboy1** · 03-15-2012, 10:10 AM

there are more to side effects then just estrogen sides. Its also a 19nor so very suppressive

**gearbox** · 03-15-2012, 10:13 AM

The 5 x plays a huge factor. The strength of this 19nor and your hdl ldl. Sides of insomnia, tren couch, night sweats, to name a few. It also shuts you down pretty hard. It is about slowly dosing aas. You get great gains on a first test only cycle. Then most add test dbol . These are just protocols are in place to see how your body reacts to aas and handle recovering from being shut down.

**EpyoN** · 03-15-2012, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

there are more to side effects then just estrogen sides. Its also a 19nor so very suppressive

Sorry about the ignorance, but I've never even heard of 19nor. When you say very suppressive are you talking about trens effects on hpta and natural test production?

**gearbox** · 03-15-2012, 10:18 AM

Yes he was.

**EpyoN** · 03-15-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by gearbox

The 5 x plays a huge factor. The strength of this 19nor and your hdl ldl. Sides of insomnia, tren couch, night sweats, to name a few. It also shuts you down pretty hard. It is about slowly dosing aas. You get great gains on a first test only cycle. Then most add test dbol. These are just protocols are in place to see how your body reacts to aas and handle recovering from being shut down.

Thanks for the help! I actually just bought my first test enth cycle and am in no rush to mess with tren . The whole science behind different anabolics is just fascinating to me. Also, are there any reasons why hgc isn't used more? Seems like it would do a good job restarting your nutsack.

**gearbox** · 03-15-2012, 10:30 AM

Great Bro. You will get great gains on a test e. Remember to have ai and pct ready. Gains will show about week 4-5. Hcg is very good to run during cycle and stop about a week before pct.

**AlphaGenetics** · 03-15-2012, 10:35 AM

Tren has Progesterone related sides which are worse than estrogen imo. basically tren can give you bitch tits worse than test imho, . There are many other sides such as prolactin induced gynecomastia , limp dick, and low libido which can last years after a irresponsible tren cycle. Gynecomastia never goes away unless you get the grapefruit sized lumps under your nipples cut out by a surgen. This is why uneducated begenners are so feircly steered away from tren on this site.

**gearbox** · 03-15-2012, 10:40 AM

True true. But prolac should not be a problem if estro is control first.
And yes op so many sides to running tren .

**EpyoN** · 03-15-2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by gearbox

Great Bro. You will get great gains on a test e. Remember to have ai and pct ready. Gains will show about week 4-5. Hcg is very good to run during cycle and stop about a week before pct.

Yea man, I'm super excited. What's the preferred dosing on hcg ?

Originally Posted by AlphaGenetics

Tren has Progesterone related sides which are worse than estrogen imo. basically tren can give you bitch tits worse than test imho, . There are many other sides such as prolactin induced gynecomastia, limp dick, and low libido which can last years after a irresponsible tren cycle. Gynecomastia never goes away unless you get the grapefruit sized lumps under your nipples cut out by a surgen. This is why uneducated begenners are so feircly steered away from tren on this site.

Thanks for the heads up. I was just intrigued by tren . A lot of my buddies are on that shit and say they're addicted to the god-mode feeling.

Originally Posted by gearbox

True true. But prolac should not be a problem if estro is control first.
And yes op so many sides to running tren.

Can you educate me on prolactin? Is it a type of estrogen or is it it's own hormone? I've had a hard time finding info on both prolactin and progesterone.

**gearbox** · 03-15-2012, 11:25 AM

Yes on hormone. And we men produce a little bit that is needed just like estro. We want to be within the range or normal even with our excessive testosterone we inject in us. That's why we use an ai