8 week test + winny, final cycle

**Dan1992** · 04-08-2012, 12:32 PM

Before I go any further, I want to state that yes, I am 19 years old. I have already ran one cycle previously (3 month test, 6 week 25mg dbol ,) and this was roughly 3 months ago. I am completely aware that I am playing with fire, and this is extremely dangerous for some one at my age. I understand the risks I am taking, and have put much thought, effort, and research into doing this properly.

With that being said. I believe I can be satisfied with my physique (at east for the next few years,) after one last cycle. Me and a buddy had been debating over what I should take, and how much for quite some time. The debate came down to 2 options; 12 week test + EQ, or 8 week Test and 6 week winny. We chose to go with winny for 2 reasons; one the androgenic effects are not as great, and 2 I'm on the cycle for a total of 1 month less. I have decided that the risk of my HPTA developing issues are far greater then that of my liver, and therefore, it would be a better idea to run a more mild and shorter cycle in terms of androgenic effects.

Now, I have several questions:

What should I run with my hcg on my PCT, and how much?
What should I use for estrogen, an AI or SERM?
Is there anything else I should add to this cycle to increase my odds of coming out of this cycle side effect free, and with a fully functioning HPTA?

Thanks a lot guys, and for the record. Money is not an issue. I want to run what ever gives me the greatest odds of remaining healthy, and I will pay what ever it costs for those odds.

**Dan1992** · 04-08-2012, 12:35 PM

Also, I have clen and EC that I plan on using to aid my PCT as well.

**binsser** · 04-08-2012, 01:00 PM

Bud if youve run a cycle already then you should already know what you need for pct ??

Read more--- the questions your asking wont be answered by most people on here because of your age!!!

**Dan1992** · 04-08-2012, 01:15 PM

I already know that Clen , EC, and Nolva work well. I'm simply wondering if I can do better.

Hopefully people will look at my age, and come to my aid in doing this as safely as possible, rather then ignoring it.

**>Good Luck<** · 04-08-2012, 02:45 PM

Read in the diet section instead. Consider the cycle you took already as a lesson, and go natural. If money isn't an issue, man up and perfect your diet. If you do it right now at your age, you will maintain your gains as an adult and probably most of your life. If you choose steroids , you will be chasing a dream for a long time and probably end up on permanent test... The novelty will wear out fast.. Married to the needle, for life! That's your risk. If you diet right, you will achieve your goals- along with good exercise and rest!

That being said, Scrap the cycle! Restore your natural levels to the best you can and abuse the amount of extra natural test that should be roaming around your system at your age!

Good luck brotha

**DamageDealer** · 04-08-2012, 03:22 PM

post your height, current weight and bf%.

**Dan1992** · 04-08-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by DamageDealer

post your height, current weight and bf%.

6'2
215
10-13%

**gonzo6183** · 04-08-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dan1992

Before I go any further, I want to state that yes, I am 19 years old. I have already ran one cycle previously (3 month test, 6 week 25mg dbol ,) and this was roughly 3 months ago. I am completely aware that I am playing with fire, and this is extremely dangerous for some one at my age. I understand the risks I am taking, and have put much thought, effort, and research into doing this properly.

With that being said. I believe I can be satisfied with my physique (at east for the next few years,) after one last cycle. Me and a buddy had been debating over what I should take, and how much for quite some time. The debate came down to 2 options; 12 week test + EQ, or 8 week Test and 6 week winny. We chose to go with winny for 2 reasons; one the androgenic effects are not as great, and 2 I'm on the cycle for a total of 1 month less. I have decided that the risk of my HPTA developing issues are far greater then that of my liver, and therefore, it would be a better idea to run a more mild and shorter cycle in terms of androgenic effects.

Now, I have several questions:

What should I run with my hcg on my PCT, and how much?
What should I use for estrogen, an AI or SERM?
Is there anything else I should add to this cycle to increase my odds of coming out of this cycle side effect free, and with a fully functioning HPTA?

Thanks a lot guys, and for the record. Money is not an issue. I want to run what ever gives me the greatest odds of remaining healthy, and I will pay what ever it costs for those odds.

Simple...
A good diet, get top quality food and LOTS of it, learn to eat and avoid damaging your body, with the right diet at your age yo ucan slowly but surely obtain steroid like results naturally and will be much more likely to keep them.
Train hard and stay healthy
Get your rest
Push your limits and dedicate yourself to learning about your body and the lifesty;e you have chosen.

Pretty sure thats all the advice you need

Gonzo