1st Cutting Cycle

**Sactownj916** · 04-13-2012, 04:13 PM

I'm 30 years old, 5'10, 190, I run 5 miles a day with light weight lifting. I'm looking to do a cutting cycle but read it was bad to just use Winstrol without using a testosterone at the same time. Also, I've read oral tablets are harder on the liver as opposed to injections. Thank you for any advice.

Testosterone Enanthate -500mg a week
Stanobolic Tablets-30mg a day
Deca Durabolin -30mg a day

**The Bear 79** · 04-13-2012, 05:15 PM

What you've read is correct. Judging by your stats, your assumed interest in the "runners physique" & the fact you're not into weight lifting for mass, you can most likely achieve your goal naturally or maybe with just a low / moderate dose Test. only cycle. What exactly is your goal?

**mg2336** · 04-13-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

What you've is correct. Judging by your stats, your assumed interest in the "runners physique" & the fact you're not into weight lifting for mass, you can most likely achieve your goal naturally or maybe with just a low / moderate dose Test. only cycle. What exactly is your goal?

off topic but is that you in your avatar???

**The Bear 79** · 04-13-2012, 08:32 PM

Pretty close, but no. My educated guess tells me he's about 275 - 280 lbs. / 8% & I'm 265+ lbs. / 10%. Gettin there.........

**blksavage** · 04-14-2012, 12:22 AM

yeah your still a monster as well as that wild animal in your avi, lol, I think its hilarious everytime I read one of your threads mid conversation people ask you that. I was wondering too to be honest

**Sactownj916** · 04-16-2012, 03:08 PM

Thanks for response, my goal is to get shredded. I want to get ripped in my abdominal area. I eat right, run but can't seem to get the muscle tone I want throughout my body.

**KAEW44** · 04-16-2012, 03:28 PM

Bro if you enjoy running or any sport that involves moving quick or explosive, think twice before using winstrol , it is very harsh on the joints, it dries them out and it creates new ligament fibres but it does them so fast that your body over-compensates by making them weaker than your natural ligaments, this is why many many many people get serious tears when on winstrol and decide to run fast or do a sprint or jump (track and field), it shows great results for lean vascular muscle gains, but it has an evil side on the joints that u may want to research before jumping into it.

**The Bear 79** · 04-16-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sactownj916

Thanks for response, my goal is to get shredded. I want to get ripped in my abdominal area. I eat right, run but can't seem to get the muscle tone I want throughout my body.

The only "issue" i see here, is your lack of effort, I know I sound like an asshole, but when it comes to toning muscle & burning fat, it really boils down to how hard you work, if what you're doing inst working................work harder, put forth more effort, run longer & more often, work your abs twice or 3 times a day, lower your calorie, carb & fat intake even further, & so on & so on. Bottom line, you don't need steroids to accomplish this goal, you need a stronger desire & work ethic. I know, I know................."fvck you a$$hole, you don't know sh!t about me, I'm the hardest working man on earth, my diet & training are flawless, its just not possible for someone to accomplish this goal without steroids".

**cebby1985** · 04-16-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

The only "issue" i see here, is your lack of effort, I know I sound like an asshole, but when it comes to toning muscle & burning fat, it really boils down to how hard you work, if what you're doing inst working................work harder, put forth more effort, run longer & more often, work your abs twice or 3 times a day, lower your calorie, carb & fat intake even further, & so on & so on. Bottom line, you don't need steroids to accomplish this goal, you need a stronger desire & work ethic. I know, I know................."fvck you a$$hole, you don't know sh!t about me, I'm the hardest working man on earth, my diet & training are flawless, its just not possible for someone to accomplish this goal without steroids".

Lol good point. To the op i feel that you could achieve your goal narurally as well. Running wont get you ripped if you eat enough calories to cancel out the calories burnt. Its all in the diet.

**Sactownj916** · 04-18-2012, 09:26 AM

I hear you, your not an asshole, that is the truth. Let's say I want to do a cutting cycle anyway. Along with running, lifting, and better diet. What should I add to help with endurance, metabolism, muscle tone, recovery, and ultimate fat burner? Is there a better cutting agent to take than Winstrol ? What kind of T do I take with it? Thank you.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-18-2012, 10:00 AM

So you want to do a cycle anyway after helpful people told you it can be done naturally. You just want someone to tell you what steroid to take and not have to put effort in a diet or training. By the way happy birthday. Couldn't help but notice on your profile when you joined 5 days ago you were 29 and now in this post your 30. Happy birthday bro.

**songdog** · 04-18-2012, 10:07 AM

Yeah bro aas would really be a waste for you.All you need to do is clean up your diet and you will get ripped with all that running.Oh and Bear aint a A--hole watch this.Hey Bear this 18 yr old newbee says its ok to do test beacuse his friends do it

Now watch him.

**Sactownj916** · 04-18-2012, 10:09 AM

Wow Capebuffalo, you got me all figured out. I turn 30 in 3 months, when I actually would start the cycle. Yes, I went on a steroid forum to find out what steroids to take for a cutting cycle. Hence, my title "cutting cycle". I would like to continue to run, eat well, and workout in conjunction with a helpful cutting agent. Is that so hard to believe? Is Anavar and Primobolan better than Tren /Winstrol ?

**cebby1985** · 04-18-2012, 10:17 AM

Personally i would cut back on ythe running and spend a littke more time w the weights. Spend your time hitting the basic compound lifts. hit your macros each day and eat at maintenance and do more of a recomp to your body. Have you figured up your tdee and macros?

Try that first before using anything and def avoid winny being that youre a runner

**cebby1985** · 04-18-2012, 10:18 AM

And i dont mean cut out running al together but spend some time burning those calories w a barbell on your back!

**The Bear 79** · 04-18-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yeah bro aas would really be a waste for you.All you need to do is clean up your diet and you will get ripped with all that running.Oh and Bear aint a A--hole watch this.Hey Bear this 18 yr old newbee says its ok to do test beacuse his friends do it

Now watch him.

: LOL, you're right Songdog, nothing will turn me full throttle a$$hole faster than some kid asking for cycle advice, being advised not to cycle, & then justifying his decission to cycle anyway with "my buddy said it would be OK, because he has cycled several times & he's fine, & he's only 18 just like me"

**JOCKSOX** · 06-08-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

The only "issue" i see here, is your lack of effort, I know I sound like an asshole, but when it comes to toning muscle & burning fat, it really boils down to how hard you work, if what you're doing inst working................work harder, put forth more effort, run longer & more often, work your abs twice or 3 times a day, lower your calorie, carb & fat intake even further, & so on & so on. Bottom line, you don't need steroids to accomplish this goal, you need a stronger desire & work ethic. I know, I know................."fvck you a$$hole, you don't know sh!t about me, I'm the hardest working man on earth, my diet & training are flawless, its just not possible for someone to accomplish this goal without steroids".

Tx Bear,

Just what I needed to hear.

DUDE.