The Athletes Cycle Options...

[senior_xj]

-Im shooting for more stamina, speed, cardio, & atletic improvements so im thinkin of running Turinabol at 50 to 60mg daily & Test-E at 300mg weekly. Im notorious for running long cycles with continuous gains, cause thats how i roll, plus T-bol isnt so harsh on the insides. As of now im planning to run this for 14+ weeks.

#1) how long can i run this cycle with as little as side effects as possible?

#2) I know the 300mg Test-E is not alot, but i had suffered thru TRT treatment so being that im on the low end of free flowing test, i think that would be dooable & keep sides down to a minimum as well. Plus there are test supplements that do work such as DAA, Erase, Fenugreek Extract, Yohimbe, Maca, Trib, Long Jack, etc.

-A little history on myself, 6' 250lbs, 35yrs old. I stayed in the gym, 20 to 25yrs old, natualy for 5yrs till i made the trip to the dark side by ages 25 thru 28. Ive run almost every cycle out there, but they were all towards muscle size & power. Benching in the low 500's & deadlifting in the high 600's. My easiest thing is putting on muscle mass with either no sauce or sauce, as my receptor cells soak up the heavier compounds like a sponge! But ofcourse, my #1 enemy is cardio. The reason i post this is because my 6yr old Son wants to join Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes & take after his Dada!!

Let the peeps lay in now...

[senior_xj]

Guess i should add in the obvious choices for an athlete & the compounnds that are OUT of the question:

-Deca , d-bols, & a-bombs are all out due to water retention, unwanted sides & weight gain that will slow me down.

-Winny & tren are out due to dry joints & severe cramping & i wont even make it thru the warm-ups.

-Never really cared for primo & mast but maybe thats an old habbit from when i only cared about wanting more muscle mass & i didnt care for doing cardio.

-Prop may be the best test choice but i cant handle the EOD injects, plus most prop shots are painfull & i cant just walk into practice limping & say, "oh my T-Prop shot hurt"!! Test-E shouldnt be that bad at 300-400mgs weekly as far as bloating & sides go.

This leaves me with 2 orals, T-bols & Anavar , & since anavar is so expensive, the T-bols gets the win!! Planning ahead, maybe ill run the T-bols & Test-E for 14 weeks, small break or bridge em & do Eq & Test. Im not competing, (yet), so theres no fear of testing positive. I just wanna up my cardio output cause anyone that has done Jiu Jitsu & Muay Thai knows that the heavyweight fighters are slower due to the organs having to work twice as hard pumping blood to those muscles & the lightweights do circles around us!!! I may be answering my own question here but out of the many cycles ive run in the past, ive never geared one towards cardio/athletic output as my main goal so im hoping to get some feedback from the cardio freaks & athletes alike!!!

[Turkish Juicer]

You are not planning to run T-Bol for 14 weeks, right?

[Razor]

T-bol will make you fly..germans know what they are doing, I give that drug a 10 outa 10..
As far as cardio output, if you know what your are doing, try some Recombinant EPO

[senior_xj]

You are not planning to run T-Bol for 14 weeks, right?

Its a heavy option so yes.

What i have to ask about running tbols for 14 weeks at 50mg daily is, would i see continouse cardio output gains when using tbol for 14 weeks at 50mg daily stacked with 350mgs of Test-E weekly??

And is that too long to run an oral even with the use of Liv-52, Milk Thissle, & some other liver support supps??

[Turkish Juicer]

14 weeks is way too long to run an oral, regardless of its dose.

8 weeks is when you stop.

[senior_xj]

I figured that would be the responce id get. So now the important question is, "would i see continuouse cardio improvements if i did run Turinabol for that long?"

Then id ask if i should just do 50mgs daily thru out or do a 40/50/60/50/40mg dosage pattern??

Thanks