DBOL/Test E/ EQ Cycle Critique Please

**CaiZier** · 05-01-2012, 08:36 PM

I am getting ready to start a cycle
Week 1-4 DBOL 30 mg/day
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg/week x2
Week 1-12 EQ 200mg/week x2

This is the cycle that I am getting prepared to start. I have everything in hand and just had a few questions. Is there a better way to start or stop the EQ where it has a longer half life than the test? Is is alright to stop EQ at 11 weeks or should I test Test E to 13 weeks to end them even. Also, I was thinking of taking HCG on cycle with Aromasin or should I save it for PCT? Am I right in starting PCT 18 days after my last EQ pin? I have read some articles on here about EQ and would not add it in a cycle now, but I have already paid for it and have it in hand. My friend will be running a similar cycle except he will be substituting Hexadex 450 in place of Test E. He cannot find dosages for it. Any advice would be appreciated!

**jpowell** · 05-01-2012, 08:43 PM

Current stats and goals of cycle please.

**CaiZier** · 05-01-2012, 08:49 PM

Sorry<
Almost 29
6'
190
pretty clean diet
In the gym 4-5 times a week lifting heavy
Wanting to bulk and keep it clean, (hense the EQ)
This will be my first cycle

**bigswoll** · 05-01-2012, 09:01 PM

Don't listen about Eq i love the shit out of it and know numerous bodybuilders including one that jus won state championships run Eq. You will not retain water as much, I've never had high estrogen on it, it will make u vascular, and allow u 2 retain more of your gains. Have Clomid and Nolvadex on hand for pct. If you start to show signs of gyno itchy,swollen, or hard nipples run 20mg of Nolva till symptoms are gone

**jpowell** · 05-01-2012, 09:30 PM

Of u have good discipline when it cums to your diet, u will have good gains. The eq is gonna drive ur appetite thru the roof turning a clean/lean bulk n2 a dirty one in a matter of time. Monitor ur weight as this will b the determining factor if ur clean gaining or not. Too much weight is equavelent to alot of fat. Im running an eq n t400 cycle currently, i was advised to take eq to 12-13 wks and test 2 wks longer. With unhaving the dbol nthere idk if things will go different or not. Good luck.

**The Situation** · 05-02-2012, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by CaiZier

I am getting ready to start a cycle
Week 1-4 DBOL 30 mg/day
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg/week x2
Week 1-12 EQ 200mg/week x2

This is the cycle that I am getting prepared to start. I have everything in hand and just had a few questions. Is there a better way to start or stop the EQ where it has a longer half life than the test? Is is alright to stop EQ at 11 weeks or should I test Test E to 13 weeks to end them even. Also, I was thinking of taking HCG on cycle with Aromasin or should I save it for PCT? Am I right in starting PCT 18 days after my last EQ pin? I have read some articles on here about EQ and would not add it in a cycle now, but I have already paid for it and have it in hand. My friend will be running a similar cycle except he will be substituting Hexadex 450 in place of Test E. He cannot find dosages for it. Any advice would be appreciated!

Is this your first cycle?

**CaiZier** · 05-02-2012, 09:12 AM

Yes, This will be my first cycle

**Focused88** · 05-02-2012, 09:33 AM

First cycle should always be a test ONLY cycle.
If you really want to you can keep dbol , but drop the eq.
Yes you should run an ai during your cycle. Clomid and nolva for pct
Do more research before satrting your cycle so u dont f* urself

**CaiZier** · 05-02-2012, 10:04 AM

I had debated on dropping the EQ, But i am supprised to hear that from this forumn where as the general opinion is that EQ is worthless anyways. I appreciate you opinion though, however at this time i will still have this in my cycle. I have done a fair amount of research but we all know their are 100 diff opinions on this forumn with 1000 diff cycles options and pct to go along with. I was thinking of aromasin along with the hcg but have also heard alot of good things about adex, what is everyones opinion, and dosage advise based on this cycle. Another reason for keeping the EQ is that i an fairly lean and do not expect to see many sides ie gyno issues. Again thanks for everyones time and help

**bigswoll** · 05-02-2012, 10:12 AM

Oh man i didn't know first cycle you should have said that man. Test only!!

**CaiZier** · 05-02-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by CaiZier

Sorry<
Almost 29
6'
190
pretty clean diet
In the gym 4-5 times a week lifting heavy
Wanting to bulk and keep it clean, (hense the EQ)
This will be my first cycle

I did say this was my first cycle, read the intire post

**JOSH1012** · 05-02-2012, 11:26 AM

I am about to run a similar cycle... this will not be my first ...
5'10
220
20% bf

Cycle
Weeks
1-12 - Equi 400mg
1-12 - Primo - 250mg
1-10 - Test E - 250mg
7-12 - Anavar - 25mg ed

Gym 5-6 days heavy lifts
Protein - 250-300grm day
Carb 50 - 100 grm a day
Fat 50-90 gram a day

**blksavage** · 05-02-2012, 12:27 PM

caizer, hcg and aromasin are not for pct they should be used while cycling the pct should be your standard nolva and clomid. I see you have done some research but try to do a little more i.e how to ruin your aromasin and hcg. the advice given was spot on to start with test only because you need to see how your body responds to each compound and if you start with three and have problems how are you going to know what corrections to make and thats just one of the many reasons the vets on here will set you straight I learn something new daily reading thru their post. good luck

**CaiZier** · 05-02-2012, 01:36 PM

Your are correct, my writing was confusing. As stated above i am trying to figure out dosages for hcg and aromasin while "on cycle" my tangent about 1000 diff pcts might have led people to think otherwise. I am planning on using the standard clomid/Nolva pct at the end of my cycle. My question is as to the proper dosages of my cycle. I know this is a heavy first cycle, and i'm not ignorant to the risks, i have seen this cycle used many times for a first and have read their logs. That is the reason i'm using the hcg, aromasin, clomid and nolva. To cover all my bases. What i am trying to figure is should i stop the test E and EQ together. Stop the EQ at 10 weeks and the Test E at 11 or what. HOW DO I END THIS CYCLE THE CLEANEST GOING INTO PCT. PLEASE>

**CaiZier** · 05-02-2012, 01:45 PM

I have never cycled before, so i don't expect my opinions to carry much weight.(no pun intended) However i do believe genetics do, and i was at someones side through a first cycle of sust/EQ/Winstrol with quite literally the same genes as me. Not planned well, no Pct, and absolutely no sides to speak of. I'm not trying to sound arrogant but that's what i have to go on. Like everyone says on here. "everyone responds differently" I just had a guinea pig if you will.

**jpowell** · 05-02-2012, 02:29 PM

Contrary to popular belief on this thread, keep ur ai on hand dont use unless unhave to. Im starting week 10 n have nvr used mine. So dont start of doing 25 or 12.5 mgs daily as some people rec. wait until u need it.

**jpowell** · 05-02-2012, 02:30 PM

Pointless to run a 10-11 wk cycle with those compounds. I rec earlier to go at least 13-14 with eq, n 2wks longt wod ur test. Anything shortr is gonna do nada but give u an appetite n not water weight whr uncan flush it out with am ai.