has anybody after doing a cycle ever made the life decision to stay on steroids for

[leather daddy]

the rest of there life?

blast/cruise/run multiple cycles with minimal time off?

im talking from a young age. 20 years +

[swm1972]

That would be a decision you'd regret at some point down the road. I'd bet anything on that.

[lovbyts]

Some people have no choice but to cruise, HRT.
Some people decide to make it a life long endeavor out of it due to wanting to go pro body building but it cant be just at whym, it has to be 100% dedication and you have a good source income, time and people you know will back you.

I'm sure there are those who have thought it would be cool or helpful to just cruise but most figure out it's more of a PITA than it's worth due to always having to worry about gyno or E2 related sides, not being sure if you will be able to have kids if you decide to get married and getting into a relationship or priorities changing and then trying to come off after being on for a couple of years.

There are a LOT of things to consider before doing something like that. I think just as much consideration should go into that as you should do before deciding on a degree in college or getting engaged.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

blast and cruise has no merit, the best cruise is no gear at all. 2 on 4 off or 2 on 2 off is better then teh idea of blast and cruising. no matter what road you choose your cholesterol levels will be damaging and the artery plaque build up shows no sign of its existence until the blockage stops your heart.

[getfit28]

What lovbyts said is so true..... I'm still debating if I shoudl cruise for life or not. However, I'm 33 and not planning on having any more kids ( I have 3 kids already). Age of 20 to cruise is way to early and I would never do it that early..
I'm still researching on this cruise TRT and If I do decide to do this I'd like to be under a doc's care....

[big_ron]

blast and cruise has no merit, the best cruise is no gear at all. 2 on 4 off or 2 on 2 off is better then teh idea of blast and cruising. no matter what road you choose your cholesterol levels will be damaging and the artery plaque build up shows no sign of its existence until the blockage stops your heart.

So cruising with trt and keeping your levels in a healthy range has no merit? its better to come off and live with low t? I dont think so

[bodybycookiesandcake]

blasting and cruising has no merit

trt and hrt are two completly different things to blast and cruise and the idea of being jacked and tanned all yoru life..

[big_ron]

Oh okay i refer blasting and cruising to what i said above. i guess the pros take alot more

[JonnyConcrete]

It is something I am seriously considering. It helps as I am from the UK and I could get the cruising dose, AI and HCG for free.

I'm doing a lot of research now into long term health issues, but there isn't alot around. Most is specualtion!

Although you will hear this from a lot of 20 year olds, I think I do have the right genetics to eventually go pro, (decent lat insertions, naturally thick back etc) it all depends on how I react to juice.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

This is entry level gear you need if you decide you want to start becoming a pro amateur.

once you have decided to become pro all of these amounts increase. ALOT

Phase One

Week 12-week 7
900mg Test E weekly
400mg Deca weekly
300mg Tren E
50mg D-bol daily
4iu's Mon-Fri HGH
250iu's HCG Mon and Thur

Week 6 and week 5
600mg Test E weekly
300mg Tren E weekly
300mg Masteron weekly
50mg Winstrol daily
50mg Proviron daily
4iu's Mon-Fri HGH
250iu's HCG Mon and Thur



Phase Two

Week 4 and week 3
300mg Test Prop weekly
300mg Tren A weekly
300mg Masteron weekly
50mg Winstrol daily
50mg Proviron daily
30mg Halotestin daily
4iu's Mon-Fri HGH
250iu's HCG Mon and Thur

Week 2
300mg Test Prop weekly
300mg Tren A weekly
300mg Masteron weekly
50mg Winstrol daily
50mg Proviron daily
60mg halotestin daily
4iu's Mon-Fri HGH
250iu's HCG Mon and Thur

Week of the show
50mg Winstrol daily
50mg Proviron daily
60mg Halotestin daily

The whole time on
Arimidex .5mg Mon/Wed/Fri
Clenbuterol 50mcg twice a day
Cytomel (T3) 25mcg twice a day (cut this on first day of carb load)


i will say this again blast and cruising has no merit, no research, no backing only looks good on paper. to blast and cruise is only to hinder gains.

learning how to bridge cycles while the LH isnt suppressed is something completely different,

FUCJK the pro's and what they do, i doubt no more then 1% of people on this board can diet like a pro, so what good is trying to be like a pro with something like "blasting and cruising" if you dont eat or train like one.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

It is something I am seriously considering. It helps as I am from the UK and I could get the cruising dose, AI and HCG for free.

I'm doing a lot of research now into long term health issues, but there isn't alot around. Most is specualtion!

Although you will hear this from a lot of 20 year olds, I think I do have the right genetics to eventually go pro, (decent lat insertions, naturally thick back etc) it all depends on how I react to juice.

the artery plaque build up isnt , its oath. Cholesterol the silent killer. and yes you wont find any info on blast and cruising cause their has yet to be a control group study on this that neither myself or bill roberts has found to date.

[lovbyts]

What lovbyts said is so true..... I'm still debating if I shoudl cruise for life or not. However, I'm 33 and not planning on having any more kids ( I have 3 kids already). Age of 20 to cruise is way to early and I would never do it that early..
I'm still researching on this cruise TRT and If I do decide to do this I'd like to be under a doc's care....

Do yourself a favor, I wish I would have. Although you do not plan on having any more kids get some of those bad boys in the freezer just in case. Like has a way of always playing tricks on you and making your regret saying you will never do something. I decided I was not going to have any more kids when I got my vasectomy at 39. 10 years later we are considering having one....

[JonnyConcrete]

the artery plaque build up isnt , its oath. Cholesterol the silent killer. and yes you wont find any info on blast and cruising cause their has yet to be a control group study on this that neither myself or bill roberts has found to date.

Nice post above^^^ But I'd guess that the GH dose should be higher than 4iu, unless you are only using it for its leaning out properties.

I doubt that many different compounds are needed though. From my research (which a lot is speculation) I'd say test e and p/s, tren a, masteron , winny/var and maybe eq/prov will get you there. Tren a being the key ingrediant.

[JohnnyVegas]

Hopefully nobody gives advice in this thread that isn't already on TRT. Anyone not on TRT has no idea what it is like to constantly need to buy drugs, syringes, get blood work done, donate blood and inject hundreds of times a year. If I had to do it starting in my 20s I would shoot myself.

[evander87]

I decided I was not going to have any more kids when I got my vasectomy at 39. 10 years later we are considering having one....

Almost 50 and considering another kid? Bravo man, bravo.

That post gives me hope that I, at 37, might still make a family of my own. "IF" I find the right partner.

/tread jack

[Flier]

Almost 50 and considering another kid? Bravo man, bravo.

That post gives me hope that I, at 37, might still make a family of my own. "IF" I find the right partner.

/tread jack

I´m looking for her too. Would like to do it all over again. Was a blast!

OP, deciding to cruise would be a very poor decision.
I´s tough coming off the Test high, the pump, the veins, the confidence, the Ladies. But it´s tough coming off any substance we abuse, yes I call it abuse. We need to prepare for it going in, and tough it through the lows, knowing Homeostasis will happen.

[coldfear]

Hopefully nobody gives advice in this thread that isn't already on TRT. Anyone not on TRT has no idea what it is like to constantly need to buy drugs, syringes, get blood work done, donate blood and inject hundreds of times a year. If I had to do it starting in my 20s I would shoot myself.

not to be a dick but last time I checked a year had 52 weeks, 1 shot a week doesn't = 100's a year. your not pinning test prop and tren ace here

[Dpyle]

not to be a dick but last time I checked a year had 52 weeks, 1 shot a week doesn't = 100's a year. your not pinning test prop and tren ace here

No but with TRT your looking at 1-2 shots per week for test depending on whether you split your dose then you have the hcg 2 times a week maybe three that all adds up pretty fast.

[coldfear]

hm maybe contest prep skewed my views on what a lot of pinning is

[JohnnyVegas]

not to be a dick but last time I checked a year had 52 weeks, 1 shot a week doesn't = 100's a year. your not pinning test prop and tren ace here

Not dickish at all. Most of the TRT guys (myself included) inject Test twice a week for more consistent blood levels. I would say most inject their HCG at least twice a week (I inject twice a week). That is four shots a week multiplied by 52 weeks...for a total of 208 injections.

That is exactly why I said I hope people don't comment about how TRT is no big deal unless they have been doing it a while. Most people don't know what it entails.

Go to the TRT section some time and read about the guys that can't get their Test dosing right, or their AI dose correct.

It isn't always a fairy tale existence of eternally high Test levels, and it comes with side effects. High RBC, high hematocrit and high platelets cause the need for donating blood to avoid levels that can cause stroke or heart attack. Messed up cholesterol panel. Blood work to monitor everything. Hell, I just got back from the doctor ten minutes ago as I had to pick up HCG and have my BP checked.

[coldfear]

well put brother, sometimes people think of pinning as the only downside

[kelkel]

Well said Johnny. I split my dosage as well plus 3 HCG 's so it adds up damn quick. Luckily no AI needed. Does get old but the alternative is far, far worse.....

[FONZY007]

not to be a dick but last time I checked a year had 52 weeks, 1 shot a week doesn't = 100's a year. your not pinning test prop and tren ace here

I do biweekly some even do 3 times a week

[DanB]

the rest of there life?

blast/cruise/run multiple cycles with minimal time off?

im talking from a young age. 20 years +

^^^^^^^^^

this

OP you struggle to get gear and then pin it at the momemt so what makes you want to stay on? do you think you can just walk into the doc while shut down from deca and say I want trt? it aint that simple

[gonzo6183]

Nice post above^^^ But I'd guess that the GH dose should be higher than 4iu, unless you are only using it for its leaning out properties.

I doubt that many different compounds are needed though. From my research (which a lot is speculation) I'd say test e and p/s, tren a, masteron , winny/var and maybe eq/prov will get you there. Tren a being the key ingrediant.

Sorry mate but you have it all wrong and wont get anywhere as a pro if you think this...

Key ingredient is the perfect diet

[DanB]

Nice post above^^^ But I'd guess that the GH dose should be higher than 4iu, unless you are only using it for its leaning out properties.

I doubt that many different compounds are needed though. From my research (which a lot is speculation) I'd say test e and p/s, tren a, masteron , winny/var and maybe eq/prov will get you there. Tren a being the key ingrediant.

Genetics, diet, dedication, response to gear, hgh to name a few are main ingredients, Dukkit made a good post on the subject of what makes a pro a pro, go through his post history and you will find it in the last week or two

Tren has fvckall to do with it, I dare say that with the areas I outlined above, you could be pro and never touch tren, have you used tren before? its good but it isnt magic, a miniscule percentage of people have what it takes to get a pro card, they just born to lift, average joe like you or me will never look the same no matter what we use

[gonzo6183]

^^^ I stand corrected, slighlty...

Main point is Tren has nothing to do with being pro, there are endless other factors as a complete package that are key...

As DanB said, if you have everything ti takes, you dont neccessarily even need tren

[DanB]

^^^ I stand corrected, slighlty...

Main point is Tren has nothing to do with being pro, there are endless other factors as a complete package that are key...

As DanB said, if you have everything ti takes, you dont neccessarily even need tren

lol sorry wasnt trying to correct you, just the quote we both refered to, i knew what you were getting at and you were right, i just added a little and you said it in bold above, shit if tren will make me pro then i'll start 200mg ed of tren a tomorrow?

be great if it was that easy wouldnt it

[swm1972]

Hopefully nobody gives advice in this thread that isn't already on TRT. Anyone not on TRT has no idea what it is like to constantly need to buy drugs, syringes, get blood work done, donate blood and inject hundreds of times a year. If I had to do it starting in my 20s I would shoot myself.

Amen to that. I was called out for my earlier comment by someone who has absolutely no clue what it's like HAVING to pin every five to seven days for the rest of your life. For some of us this isn't so much about recreation as medical necessity. I have cycled. Not saying I haven't. But I doubt I ever would have taken the plunge has I not been introduced to these compounds due to HRT. I hated needles and shots before the doctor got me started off and showed me how. I doubt I would have chose to stab a 23 gauge 1-1/2" needle into my quad for recreation.

This is a life long decision OP is considering. I can't imagine just deciding to go all in without even trying to cycle & recover and see how well it goes for you. Some people rebound very well and maintain there gains. Others not so much. But to just give in and go full time "on" right out the gates? I can't see that as a positive in any way. I can't imagine a person not looking back on that decision with regret. As you age you might find your priorities changing. Something to consider.

It's your decision and I wish you luck either way.

[Flier]

Hopefully nobody gives advice in this thread that isn't already on TRT. Anyone not on TRT has no idea what it is like to constantly need to buy drugs, syringes, get blood work done, donate blood and inject hundreds of times a year. If I had to do it starting in my 20s I would shoot myself.

Amen to that. I was called out for my earlier comment by someone who has absolutely no clue what it's like HAVING to pin every five to seven days for the rest of your life. For some of us this isn't so much about recreation as medical necessity. I have cycled. Not saying I haven't. But I doubt I ever would have taken the plunge has I not been introduced to these compounds due to HRT. I hated needles and shots before the doctor got me started off and showed me how. I doubt I would have chose to stab a 23 gauge 1-1/2" needle into my quad for recreation.

This is a life long decision OP is considering. I can't imagine just deciding to go all in without even trying to cycle & recover and see how well it goes for you. Some people rebound very well and maintain there gains. Others not so much. But to just give in and go full time "on" right out the gates? I can't see that as a positive in any way. I can't imagine a person not looking back on that decision with regret. As you age you might find your priorities changing. Something to consider.

It's your decision and I wish you luck either way.

Thank God for Nebido.
Hopefully approved in your neck of the woods in the very near future.

[lovbyts]

Not dickish at all. Most of the TRT guys (myself included) inject Test twice a week for more consistent blood levels. I would say most inject their HCG at least twice a week (I inject twice a week). That is four shots a week multiplied by 52 weeks...for a total of 208 injections.

That is exactly why I said I hope people don't comment about how TRT is no big deal unless they have been doing it a while. Most people don't know what it entails.

Go to the TRT section some time and read about the guys that can't get their Test dosing right, or their AI dose correct.

It isn't always a fairy tale existence of eternally high Test levels, and it comes with side effects. High RBC, high hematocrit and high platelets cause the need for donating blood to avoid levels that can cause stroke or heart attack. Messed up cholesterol panel. Blood work to monitor everything. Hell, I just got back from the doctor ten minutes ago as I had to pick up HCG and have my BP checked.

Lets not forget the guys who are lucky enough to have prescribed and can afford HGH. That's another 5x a week if not 7x a week so minimum = 260 now we are up to 468 injections a year without doing any other cycles.....

[JonnyConcrete]

LOL I didn't really mean tren was the only important AAS (although I sort of said it). Thanks for the replies though.

[junkiescumbag]

to my understanding. wouldnt taking hcg constantly throughout TRT HRT desensitize yourself? i thought it would be better to stay on for say 11 months of the year and come off for one just to kickstart the balls every now and then not necessarily full recovery but its better then nothing

[swm1972]

Lets not forget the guys who are lucky enough to have prescribed and can afford HGH. That's another 5x a week if not 7x a week so minimum = 260 now we are up to 468 injections a year without doing any other cycles.....

Sub Q shots don't really compare to IM. I'd take a 10 subQ's over a IM any day.

[JohnnyVegas]

Lets not forget the guys who are lucky enough to have prescribed and can afford HGH. That's another 5x a week if not 7x a week so minimum = 260 now we are up to 468 injections a year without doing any other cycles.....

What the hell are we thinking?

to my understanding. wouldnt taking hcg constantly throughout TRT HRT desensitize yourself? i thought it would be better to stay on for say 11 months of the year and come off for one just to kickstart the balls every now and then not necessarily full recovery but its better then nothing

This is something that TRT docs are discussing. Standard protocol for most is constant use. I have been using HCG continuously for 18 months with no atrophy (that I have noticed). We don't use the huge quantities that are used during cycles and PCT. Just enough to keep sending the message "keep working".

Sub Q shots don't really compare to IM. I'd take a 10 subQ's over a IM any day.

I do get tired of sticking myself in the belly...and those little lumps that stay until absorption. And the occasional bruise.

[swm1972]

The bruises are the only downside to pinning
HGH. I see guys in the locker room with that knowing look when I change and see those bruises. But they are also giving away something about themselves when they do that too. Because only someone who has been there would understand what they were caused by.

[getfit28]

I'm taking in all this knowledge and like to thank you for all the positive feed back to all the youngsters...
However, as I was reading I was wondering who on here has been cycling over 10-15 years and don't anymore (running it properly with pct)?
I'd like to know if you fully recovered where you don't need to cycle, be on trt or hrt??????
Is there anyone on this board???
Don't get me wrong, for anyone considering to get on trt or hrt at a very early age with no kids is a really bad idea but for us older folks that do multiple cycles for years will end up on trt or hrt so I think.. Please correct me if I'm wrong.. thanks.

[swm1972]

I'm taking in all this knowledge and like to thank you for all the positive feed back to all the youngsters...
However, as I was reading I was wondering who on here has been cycling over 10-15 years and don't anymore (running it properly with pct)?
I'd like to know if you fully recovered where you don't need to cycle, be on trt or hrt??????
Is there anyone on this board???
Don't get me wrong, for anyone considering to get on trt or hrt at a very early age with no kids is a really bad idea but for us older folks that do multiple cycles for years will end up on trt or hrt so I think.. Please correct me if I'm wrong.. thanks.

I would like to see this information as well. I bet people who recover successfully after a decade of use and multiple cycles are few and far between. But we might be surprised.

[gixxerboy1]

Lets not forget the guys who are lucky enough to have prescribed and can afford HGH. That's another 5x a week if not 7x a week so minimum = 260 now we are up to 468 injections a year without doing any other cycles.....

lol, i;ve never thought about it before, but i'm a diabetic and do cycles and gh. I just did quick math and its like 3000 injections a year.

[JohnnyVegas]

lol, i;ve never thought about it before, but i'm a diabetic and do cycles and gh. I just did quick math and its like 3000 injections a year.

You win!