Results 1 to 28 of 28
  1. #1
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48

    WANTED: Opinions On My Second Cycle!

    Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum so thought I'd give a little background info to start out.
    Age: 20 yrs.
    Ht: 6' 6"
    Wt: 230 lbs
    BF: 12%
    Train 5 days a week. Play baseball year round.

    Workout routine is as follows:
    Monday - Shoulders
    Tuesday - Back
    Wednesday - Legs
    Thursday - Chest
    Friday - Arms

    I will soon be starting my second cycle (for my first cycle i stacked the prohormones Megavol + Trenavol) and am looking for any advice you can give me!

    Cycle Layout:
    Weeks 1-8 100mg Tren (1 shot a wk)
    Weeks 1-8 400mg Test E (1 shot a wk)
    Weeks 5-8 50mg Oral Winny (everyday)

    PCT: Starting 3 days after last shot
    Week 1 100mg Clomid (everday)
    Week 2-4 50mg Clomid (everyday)

    I will be on a strict Keto diet throughout the cycle in attempt to drop the bf% into single digits.

    Meal Plan is as follows:
    MEAL
    Protein Shake
    400 calories, 10.5g carbs, 67.5g protein, 5.4g fat


    MEAL 2
    2 hotdogs
    3 eggs
    2 slices Lite Cheddar Cheese
    760 calories, 5g carbs, 51g protein, 56g fat


    MEAL 3
    Chicken breast
    2 slices cheese
    282 calories, 0g carbs, 43g protein, 12g fat


    MEAL 4
    2 hotdogs
    3 eggs
    2 slices Lite Cheddar Cheese
    760 calories, 5g carbs, 51g protein, 56g fat


    MEAL 5
    KETO Pancakes
    548 calories, 10g carbs, 46g protein, 33.5g fat

    BEFORE BED
    Casien shake
    180 calories, 4.5g carbs, 36g protein, 2g fat


    TOTAL:
    2930 calories, 35g carbs, 294.5g protein, 164.9g fat
    +
    Post Workout Shake
    =
    3330 calories, 45.5g carbs, 362g protein, 170.3g fat

    I've done my homework and feel confident about this cycle, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!
    Thanks ahead of time!
    Your advice is much appriciated!

  2. #2
    songdog's Avatar
    songdog is offline ARs TOP DOG ~ MONITOR ~
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    13,686
    You shouldve never did a 1st cycle you can do serious damage to your endo system.This is why we dont advise anyone under 25 on cycles.

  3. #3
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48
    I realize that there is, without a doubt, risk involved when cycling at this young of an age.
    However, I feel I am well educated on the topic, and believe that by taking the necessary precautions (proper aiding supplements, light dosage, correct PCT, etc.) I will end up just fine when its all said and done.

  4. #4
    Back In Black's Avatar
    Back In Black is offline Beach Bodybuilder ~Elite-Hall of Fame~
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Blighty
    Posts
    17,180
    Your cycle suggestion would suggest that you really are not well educated on the subject.

    Agree you should hold off for another 3-5 years. Good training and diet is the recommendation.
    NO SOURCES GIVEN

  5. #5
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48
    How does my diet look? Any advice in that department?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    dont ask for a source thx
    Posts
    9,058
    Blog Entries
    3
    i think your over your head with this cycle and your pct plan needs much work...besides the fact that your way to young whatever reasurch you think you did id go back to the drawing board and start over because you dont get it....and your diet need much work as well...hot dogs?...seriously?...no one here is going to spoon feed you the info so get reading...goodluck...

  7. #7
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48
    Yes hot dogs, all natural chicken hotdogs.
    Nutrition facts: 60 calories, 2.5g fat, 1g carbs, 9g protein. Seems fine to me...
    I don't need anyone to spoon feed me anything, never needed that. Simply asking for some advice (other than flaming me telling me I'm too young to cycle... redundancy gets old...) but it appears thats asking a bit much.

    As for my PCT, how can it be improved? I've heard mixed reviews about taking Nolva, following a cycle including Tren . Your thoughts?
    I realize that I should run my test for at least 12 weeks (or at least thats what appears to be the most common duration amongst my friends and forum members) but my timeframe won't support an additional 4 weeks of test.

    My diet seems fine... how can it be improved?
    One of my close friends graduated last year from a Cal State university and is a licensed nutritionist/PT, I showed him this diet plan and he said it looks fine (however, he did recommend to throw in some veggies i.e. asparagus/spinach/brocoli for every sit down meal, as well as almonds/walnuts for a snack and some other minor adjustments)
    Keep in mind I'm trying to keep my carbs low, so I can shed that last bit of bf to get down into single digits. I'm not trying to load up on carbs be eating a shit load of brown rice, oats, etc.

  8. #8
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48
    Oh also, the Keto pancakes consist of 2 eggs, 1 scoop whey, 2 tbsp. natural PB and a dash of water. Also very healthy and carb friendly, much like the hot dogs.

  9. #9
    Back In Black's Avatar
    Back In Black is offline Beach Bodybuilder ~Elite-Hall of Fame~
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Blighty
    Posts
    17,180
    Quote Originally Posted by Etbthree
    Oh also, the Keto pancakes consist of 2 eggs, 1 scoop whey, 2 tbsp. natural PB and a dash of water. Also very healthy and carb friendly, much like the hot dogs.
    Search 'the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet' by **Top**
    NO SOURCES GIVEN

  10. #10
    The Bear 79 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    5,332
    Quote Originally Posted by Etbthree View Post
    Simply asking for some advice (other than flaming me telling me I'm too young to cycle... redundancy gets old...) but it appears thats asking a bit much. My diet seems fine... how can it be improved?
    Telling you you're too young to cycle & you should wait until you're 25 is not flaming you, it's just not what you wanted to hear. Keep in mind, you DUD ask for opinions, & that's exactly what you're getting, but nobody is flaming you. As for your diet, I'd say for the most part, it looks pretty good, there are some adjustments needed...........but I'll let the others help you with that, I'm not really into dirt advice, I am of the opinion that the same diet doesn't always work the same for every person, & each individual needs to tweak & torque their diet into a custom fit. But there is still some very good diet advice around here none the less. The one thing that I would like to touch on, is your training split..............or lack there of any way...............it appears you may be over training by not allowing enough rest & recovery time between muscle trauma. Without proper rest & recovery time, you will never meet your body's full potential. Most splits are one on one off, or two on one off.
    Last edited by The Bear 79; 05-08-2012 at 06:21 AM.

  11. #11
    The Bear 79 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    5,332
    Quote Originally Posted by Etbthree View Post
    I realize that there is, without a doubt, risk involved when cycling at this young of an age.
    However, I feel I am well educated on the topic, and believe that by taking the necessary precautions (proper aiding supplements, light dosage, correct PCT, etc.) I will end up just fine when its all said and done.
    What supplements & PCT are you implementing that will stop the possible irreversible damage to your undeveloped HPTA at ANY dose. It seems as though you are not as educated on the subject as you may think, because there are no such supplements, if there were, NOBODY would EVER have HPTA problems at ANY age. And PCT wont help, PCT is just an attempt to fix an already existent problem. There is no such thing as a supplement that will stop your HPTA from being shut down & / or damaged, nor is there a PCT that can accomplish this either. You should wait until your 25, after that, the risk is still there, but at least your systems are fully developed & the risk is significantly less.
    Last edited by The Bear 79; 05-08-2012 at 06:30 AM.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    eat like your anabolic for 10 weeks , if you dont miss a meal, and you keep your cheats very clean. then u can consider using creatine, squat and rack pulls and tricep kick backs will make you huge

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79 View Post
    What supplements & PCT are you implementing that will stop the possible irreversible damage to your undeveloped HPTA at ANY dose.
    some people dont need to run pct. he might be one of those mesomorphs

  14. #14
    The Bear 79 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    5,332
    Quote Originally Posted by bodybycookiesandcake View Post
    some people dont need to run pct.
    Quote Originally Posted by bodybycookiesandcake View Post
    squat and rack pulls and tricep kick backs will make you huge
    Are you serious???

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    yes squats will make him grow. since most gym monkeys think its all about arms, he can throw in some kick backs so he can feel like hes a man.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    and yes. not everyone needs pct. , 99% of people do. but there are still those that dont

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    his bigger issue is running keto and not restoring gyc levels between work outs, especially if hes adding fasted or post weight cardio

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    when hes not growing, wait for it.... we can all post in his " i think my gear is fake thread"

  19. #19
    The Bear 79 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    5,332
    Quote Originally Posted by bodybycookiesandcake View Post
    yes squats will make him grow. since most gym monkeys think its all about arms, he can throw in some kick backs so he can feel like hes a man.
    Yeah & every clown with a gut thinks its all about legs & the squat rack is the holy shrine. I love those guys, tree trunk legs, a keg resting on their belt, B cups, & the sleeves torn of their shirt (to make them feel like a man) trying to portray their large flabby / soft arms as muscle. ANY exercise will make him grow, executed properly.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    squats make people grow,

    leg press not so much, "hey look mum i have 16, 20kg plates loaded and im reppin it,"

    this fascination not to train legs, over work chest and bi's is body composition at its worst.

  21. #21
    Bevsta123's Avatar
    Bevsta123 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Western Australia
    Posts
    518
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79 View Post
    Yeah & every clown with a gut thinks its all about legs & the squat rack is the holy shrine. I love those guys, tree trunk legs, a keg resting on their belt, B cups, & the sleeves torn of their shirt (to make them feel like a man) trying to portray their large flabby / soft arms as muscle. ANY exercise will make him grow, executed properly.
    Shut Down.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    yeah bear is right, Arnold was pro squats and look at him now, hes a fat piece of shit.

    compound lifts are stupid.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    kids this is before doing squats, now this is your body after doing squats.

  25. #25
    The Bear 79 is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    5,332
    Come off it man, I'm not saying squats aren't necessary I'm just saying, don't try to tell people that "they will make you grow", as if its not possible to grow without. Every exercise you do will make you grow, not just squats. It has been my experience, time & time again, the only people that focus primarily on squats, are the guys I described above, they are usually so weak in the upper body, they are embarrassed to try & work their chest, arms or back in front of the whole gym, so they stick to "the shrine" (where they feel like a man) because most generally, fat guys have naturally strong legs.

  26. #26
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    OZ
    Posts
    563
    no by no means dont focus primary on squats. just add all compound lifts to your work out routine.

  27. #27
    JonnyConcrete is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    161
    The cycle you posted is completely off as well. Please do some more research and come back to it a few years.

  28. #28
    Etbthree is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    48
    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyConcrete View Post
    The cycle you posted is completely off as well. Please do some more research and come back to it a few years.
    Oh thanks I havn't heard that from anyone yet... redundancy...

    But thanks for the advice so far fellahs!
    I understand you are all just looking out for me and whats safest for my future health, and thank you for that!

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •