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05-08-2012, 02:00 AM #1New Member
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WANTED: Opinions On My Second Cycle!
Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum so thought I'd give a little background info to start out.
Age: 20 yrs.
Ht: 6' 6"
Wt: 230 lbs
BF: 12%
Train 5 days a week. Play baseball year round.
Workout routine is as follows:
Monday - Shoulders
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest
Friday - Arms
I will soon be starting my second cycle (for my first cycle i stacked the prohormones Megavol + Trenavol) and am looking for any advice you can give me!
Cycle Layout:
Weeks 1-8 100mg Tren (1 shot a wk)
Weeks 1-8 400mg Test E (1 shot a wk)
Weeks 5-8 50mg Oral Winny (everyday)
PCT: Starting 3 days after last shot
Week 1 100mg Clomid (everday)
Week 2-4 50mg Clomid (everyday)
I will be on a strict Keto diet throughout the cycle in attempt to drop the bf% into single digits.
Meal Plan is as follows:
MEAL
Protein Shake
400 calories, 10.5g carbs, 67.5g protein, 5.4g fat
MEAL 2
2 hotdogs
3 eggs
2 slices Lite Cheddar Cheese
760 calories, 5g carbs, 51g protein, 56g fat
MEAL 3
Chicken breast
2 slices cheese
282 calories, 0g carbs, 43g protein, 12g fat
MEAL 4
2 hotdogs
3 eggs
2 slices Lite Cheddar Cheese
760 calories, 5g carbs, 51g protein, 56g fat
MEAL 5
KETO Pancakes
548 calories, 10g carbs, 46g protein, 33.5g fat
BEFORE BED
Casien shake
180 calories, 4.5g carbs, 36g protein, 2g fat
TOTAL:
2930 calories, 35g carbs, 294.5g protein, 164.9g fat
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Post Workout Shake
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3330 calories, 45.5g carbs, 362g protein, 170.3g fat
I've done my homework and feel confident about this cycle, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!
Thanks ahead of time!
Your advice is much appriciated!
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05-08-2012, 02:17 AM #2
You shouldve never did a 1st cycle you can do serious damage to your endo system.This is why we dont advise anyone under 25 on cycles.
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05-08-2012, 02:31 AM #3New Member
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I realize that there is, without a doubt, risk involved when cycling at this young of an age.
However, I feel I am well educated on the topic, and believe that by taking the necessary precautions (proper aiding supplements, light dosage, correct PCT, etc.) I will end up just fine when its all said and done.
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05-08-2012, 02:40 AM #4
Your cycle suggestion would suggest that you really are not well educated on the subject.
Agree you should hold off for another 3-5 years. Good training and diet is the recommendation.NO SOURCES GIVEN
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05-08-2012, 02:46 AM #5New Member
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How does my diet look? Any advice in that department?
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05-08-2012, 03:27 AM #6
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i think your over your head with this cycle and your pct plan needs much work...besides the fact that your way to young whatever reasurch you think you did id go back to the drawing board and start over because you dont get it....and your diet need much work as well...hot dogs?...seriously?...no one here is going to spoon feed you the info so get reading...goodluck...
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05-08-2012, 04:07 AM #7New Member
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Yes hot dogs, all natural chicken hotdogs.
Nutrition facts: 60 calories, 2.5g fat, 1g carbs, 9g protein. Seems fine to me...
I don't need anyone to spoon feed me anything, never needed that. Simply asking for some advice (other than flaming me telling me I'm too young to cycle... redundancy gets old...) but it appears thats asking a bit much.
As for my PCT, how can it be improved? I've heard mixed reviews about taking Nolva, following a cycle including Tren . Your thoughts?
I realize that I should run my test for at least 12 weeks (or at least thats what appears to be the most common duration amongst my friends and forum members) but my timeframe won't support an additional 4 weeks of test.
My diet seems fine... how can it be improved?
One of my close friends graduated last year from a Cal State university and is a licensed nutritionist/PT, I showed him this diet plan and he said it looks fine (however, he did recommend to throw in some veggies i.e. asparagus/spinach/brocoli for every sit down meal, as well as almonds/walnuts for a snack and some other minor adjustments)
Keep in mind I'm trying to keep my carbs low, so I can shed that last bit of bf to get down into single digits. I'm not trying to load up on carbs be eating a shit load of brown rice, oats, etc.
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05-08-2012, 04:16 AM #8New Member
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Oh also, the Keto pancakes consist of 2 eggs, 1 scoop whey, 2 tbsp. natural PB and a dash of water. Also very healthy and carb friendly, much like the hot dogs.
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05-08-2012, 05:03 AM #9Originally Posted by EtbthreeNO SOURCES GIVEN
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05-08-2012, 06:16 AM #10Banned
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Telling you you're too young to cycle & you should wait until you're 25 is not flaming you, it's just not what you wanted to hear. Keep in mind, you DUD ask for opinions, & that's exactly what you're getting, but nobody is flaming you. As for your diet, I'd say for the most part, it looks pretty good, there are some adjustments needed...........but I'll let the others help you with that, I'm not really into dirt advice, I am of the opinion that the same diet doesn't always work the same for every person, & each individual needs to tweak & torque their diet into a custom fit. But there is still some very good diet advice around here none the less. The one thing that I would like to touch on, is your training split..............or lack there of any way...............it appears you may be over training by not allowing enough rest & recovery time between muscle trauma. Without proper rest & recovery time, you will never meet your body's full potential. Most splits are one on one off, or two on one off.
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05-08-2012, 06:25 AM #11Banned
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What supplements & PCT are you implementing that will stop the possible irreversible damage to your undeveloped HPTA at ANY dose. It seems as though you are not as educated on the subject as you may think, because there are no such supplements, if there were, NOBODY would EVER have HPTA problems at ANY age. And PCT wont help, PCT is just an attempt to fix an already existent problem. There is no such thing as a supplement that will stop your HPTA from being shut down & / or damaged, nor is there a PCT that can accomplish this either. You should wait until your 25, after that, the risk is still there, but at least your systems are fully developed & the risk is significantly less.
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05-08-2012, 06:27 AM #12Banned
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eat like your anabolic for 10 weeks , if you dont miss a meal, and you keep your cheats very clean. then u can consider using creatine, squat and rack pulls and tricep kick backs will make you huge
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yes squats will make him grow. since most gym monkeys think its all about arms, he can throw in some kick backs so he can feel like hes a man.
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05-08-2012, 06:38 AM #16Banned
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and yes. not everyone needs pct. , 99% of people do. but there are still those that dont
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05-08-2012, 06:40 AM #17Banned
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his bigger issue is running keto and not restoring gyc levels between work outs, especially if hes adding fasted or post weight cardio
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05-08-2012, 06:42 AM #18Banned
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when hes not growing, wait for it.... we can all post in his " i think my gear is fake thread"
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05-08-2012, 06:46 AM #19Banned
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Yeah & every clown with a gut thinks its all about legs & the squat rack is the holy shrine. I love those guys, tree trunk legs, a keg resting on their belt, B cups, & the sleeves torn of their shirt (to make them feel like a man) trying to portray their large flabby / soft arms as muscle. ANY exercise will make him grow, executed properly.
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squats make people grow,
leg press not so much, "hey look mum i have 16, 20kg plates loaded and im reppin it,"
this fascination not to train legs, over work chest and bi's is body composition at its worst.
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yeah bear is right, Arnold was pro squats and look at him now, hes a fat piece of shit.
compound lifts are stupid.
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kids this is before doing squats, now this is your body after doing squats.
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05-08-2012, 07:09 AM #25Banned
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Come off it man, I'm not saying squats aren't necessary I'm just saying, don't try to tell people that "they will make you grow", as if its not possible to grow without. Every exercise you do will make you grow, not just squats. It has been my experience, time & time again, the only people that focus primarily on squats, are the guys I described above, they are usually so weak in the upper body, they are embarrassed to try & work their chest, arms or back in front of the whole gym, so they stick to "the shrine" (where they feel like a man) because most generally, fat guys have naturally strong legs.
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no by no means dont focus primary on squats. just add all compound lifts to your work out routine.
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05-08-2012, 08:14 AM #27Associate Member
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The cycle you posted is completely off as well. Please do some more research and come back to it a few years.
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