Knowledgable and Pro Bodybuilders That Claim Test Is not the Best Beginner Cycle

[PopeyeArms]

Hi, I have been working out for over 3 years. Have gone from 150lbs 5'11 at 13.5" Arms 12%BF, to 230lbs 5'11 19" Arms Pumped at 18%BF or so (can still make out abs). I would like to cut around 15lbs of fat. This will be my 3rd cut.

I was planning on using A-A-S soon, within the next year or two. After doing research it appears that nearly every forum is sold on the beginner cyc-le of 500-m-g of Te-st for 12-wks. However, I've looked in a few books, asked some very knowledgeable people. And have heard that starting small to "te-st the waters" so to speak is the general advice given. Nelson Montana from Bottom Line Bodybuilding book suggests cy-cles of no longer than 3 weeks. Pros like Larry Scott would take something like 10-m-g of DBOL pre-contest. I have seen videos of an upcoming Pro who said a Nat-urals first cy-cle should be something small, like a 3 week cy-cle of Winn-strol or a similar P-H, to t-est the waters. Following that should be Pr-imo. Then later Test.

The general outlook of all these guys that say otherwise is that.
1) Running a brief 3 week cy-cle is less supp-ressive and less harmful.
2) A beginner should start small and work his way up.
3) Getting the recep-tors used to a strong comp-ound like Test right away is why so many pro's peak early.
4) Less P-C-T/If any P-C-T on a 3 week cy-cle
5) Small gains (5-10lbs) you will keep most, if not all of
6) If your body reacts badly to an or-al it will leave your body within hours, Injec-table Te-st however you'll be stuck with the sides for 2 weeks.

Im still trying to figure out the best option for a first timer. Whether it be a P-H/Or-al for 3 weeks. Prim-obolan. Or Te-st. Although I know for me going from 100-% Na-tural to a 12 week cy-cle seems like a giant leap. Right now, I just need a little push, and a short brief cy-cle, with little chance of sides or supp-ressing, that could add 5-10lbs of solid mass to my frame would be perfect.

Basically I am wondering your thoughts on this argument. And if anyone has any advice on maybe something small I could take on this cut or even next bulk to add a few lbs/maintain muscle on a cut.

[Brohim]

I heard Primo takes a while to show so 3 weeks might not do anything. And 3 weeks of Test would have to be Suspension.

[kbeezy321]

interesting, but wouldnt 3 weeks on a cycle do you no good since it takes a couple weeks for the chemical compounds to work?

[Brohim]

yeah it takes a week for prop to work so you would have to shot Test Suspension for a 3 weeker. On a side note, there was blood work posted from a forum member that showed his testicles were not shut down completely at the beginning of week 7. So you might be able to do a 5 or 6 weeker and recover easier. Most guys report slowed gains at 7-8 weeks anyhow.

[AD]

you should do what you're comfortable with. no one should have to convince you to cycle. no one should have to convince you to do a long cycle. nothing is compulsory. whether its a short cycle or oral only, as long as you're putting drugs into your body, there will be some harmful effects. unless you think its absolutely worth it, and you absolutely want it, best to not start.

[Brohim]

---^ Good Advice

[JohnnyVegas]

It was mentioned twice in the original post that these short, non-test cycles would be done "to test the waters." What does that mean? What would we be testing? Our resolve? Our fears? Our tolerance to drugs? Our ability to recover? I am not being critical...I truly don't understand what the goal is.

[Bulkn]

If you choose to run the beginner cycle of test e for 3 weeks, how will it be beneficial since it take 4 weeks to notice muscle building effects? Even if you chose something like Dbol which takes about a week, that leaves 2 weeks.. You would put on something like 3kg of water and 0.5kg of muscle..