compairing effects OT vs. WINNI

[fanof]

it seems like thes two are very similar... neither can convert to estrogen, both are 17aa methylated and both have a very high anabolic to androgenic ratio, both seem to have similar recommended doses.

the only significant difference between the 2 is that turinabol is derived from testosterone and winstrol is derived from dht..

what differences could you expect from running either at the same dose as a standalone?
i.e. muscle mass gains, strength gains, fat loss, endurance, side effects, keepability of gains, which would be more supressive, increased vascularity, aggresion and mental state in and outside of the gym, reduction in water retention, muscle hardness, etc. etc.

[fanof]

i saw this on another site and am looking for similar info.. regarding wistrol instead of anavar though of course.

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ANAVAR(Oxandrolone) Vs. TURINABOL (Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)


By Ross



ROUND 1: STRENGTH

Anavar: 7, Turinabol: 3



Round 2: MASS

Anavar: 2, Turinabol: 5



Round 3: Definition/Vascularity

Anavar: 7, Turinabol: 6



Round 4: Libido

Anavar: DECREASE, Turinabol: INCREASE



Round 5: Side-effects

Anavar: 3, Turinabol 2



Round 6: Price

Anavar: EXPENSIVE, Turinabol: CHEAP



Round 7: Synergy(How well it works with OTHER steroids )

Anavar: 4, Turinabol, 10



Round 8: HPTA Inhibition

Anavar: 4, Turinabol: 3

[Bonaparte]

Winstrol is a much more potent and specialized AAS. It is great for hardening and strength gains.
Tbol doesn't do much in particular besides add a bit of strength and anabolism to a cycle with minimal sides. The pumps are nice, though.

[fanof]

Winstrol is a much more potent and specialized AAS. It is great for hardening and strength gains.
Tbol doesn't do much in particular besides add a bit of strength and anabolism to a cycle with minimal sides. The pumps are nice, though.

which would give more mass mg for mg?? and in the thing above it says anavar is slighly more suppressive than tbol.. why is that? and would winstrol be the same?

thanks for replying

[Bonaparte]

IDK. But Tbol makes a decent standalone, and Winstrol is best run with a good dose of test (this is where it really shines, IME).

And Tbol is likely the least suppressive AAS out there, after Proviron . Winstrol is more suppressive.

[coldfear]

holy hell that comparison is totally off. tbol is great for strength, pump vascularity. Blows anavar away in every department and I've used both. As far as tbol vs winny iv only used injectable winny but i wasnt a big fan. got a bit harder but nothing major, id go tbol>winny> overhyped var anyday

[Bonaparte]

holy hell that comparison is totally off. tbol is great for strength, pump vascularity. Blows anavar away in every department and I've used both. As far as tbol vs winny iv only used injectable winny but i wasnt a big fan. got a bit harder but nothing major, id go tbol>winny> overhyped var anyday

Your Var was probably shitty UGL stuff.
I've used both Tbol and Var in the same cycle at the same dose (Tbol kickstart and Var finish), and I found the var a bit more impressive. The Tbol just gave more muscle fullness/pumps. And I buy powders, so I know that the dosing was correct. Oh, and the disruption of blood clotting factors with Tbol is a bit concerning...

[coldfear]

maybe your tbol was shitty china raws? anyway everyone is different just gonna have to try each for yourself. as far as orals go ive used superdrol, anadrol , epistane, tbol, var, dbol and halodrol and for me tbol is by far the best. little water retention and great gains in strength and fullness

[Bonaparte]

Nearly all raws come from china. And they were both from the same place.

[fanof]

so it seems the general consensus is tbol is a better satndalone and overall drug?

[oscarjones]

so it seems the general consensus is tbol is a better satndalone and overall drug?

I've not used Tbol personally so I can't compare it, however I have used Winstrol and Dbol . Winny killed my hair, but the hardening was great. I ran it at 100mg for 6 weeks. I've only done Dbol with Test or Test/Tren . That was a mass loader but I wouldn't ever do Dbol standalone. You could always try Winstrol + Tbol or Tbol + Var or mix it up. However, it sounds like you should give each a try or stack one of them with Test and compare for yourself.

[fanof]

im more interested in maybe doing a short oral cycle before i jump in the deep end with a full on 12week test based course (i will ask for advice on that later)

not so keen on stacking the two oral because
a) liver tox
b) want see how my body reacts to each compound at a time so i can make better choices for cycles in the future

i must sayi have been slightly leanient towards winstrol because of the price and because i heard it will give more mass, but at the same time worried about my joints for heavy lifts and cardio

[fontazya]

Tbol 4 life!!

Don't do an oral cycle.. Complete waste.. Ur safer doing test only cycle and will get much better results.. Winny will screw ur joints and hair and there isn't much mass more of a hardening effect

[fanof]

ya im going with test