Why You Use Steroids

**sharmabrah** · 06-23-2012, 09:41 PM

I'm not starting this thread to be offensive or rude to any of you AAS users. But I was just wondering what made you decide to cycle for the first time? A lot of you say that a perfect diet and workout program will generate steroid -like results (obviously a slight exaggeration but I know what you mean). So why is it that you resorted to steroid use ? Why not just keep adjusting your diet and workout routine so that you don't plateau? I'm not intending this to be an offensive question - some of you on here talked me out of doing a cycle towards the end of the year and I'm only twenty, so that I am very thankful for.

Just a friendly question from a young gym-goer.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-23-2012, 09:48 PM

Year of Proper Training Potential Rate of Muscle Gain per Year
1 20-25 pounds (2 pounds per month)
2 10-12 pounds (1 pound per month)
3 5-6 pounds (0.5 pound per month)
4+ 2-3 pounds (not worth calculating)

Again, these values are for males, females would use roughly half of those values (e.g. 10-12 pounds in the first year of proper training).

Please note that these are averages and make a few assumptions about proper training and nutrition and such. As well, age will interact with this; older individuals won’t gain as quickly and younger individuals may gain more quickly. For example, it’s not unheard of for underweight high school kids to gain muscle very rapidly. But they are usually starting out very underweight and have the natural anabolic steroid cycle called puberty working for them.

Year of training also refers to proper years of training. Someone who has been training poorly for 4 years and gained squat for muscle gains may still have roughly the Year 1 potential when they start training properly.

Now, if you total up those values, you get a gain of roughly 40-50 pounds of total muscle mass over a lifting career although it might take a solid 4+ years of proper training to achieve that. So if you started with 130 pound of lean body mass (say in high school you were 150 pounds with 12% body fat), you might have the potential to reach a level of 170-180 pounds of lean body mass after 4-5 years of proper training. At 12% body fat, that would put you at a weight of 190-200 pounds.

Again, that’s a rough average, you might find some who gain a bit more and some who gain a bit less. And there will be other factors that impact on the above numbers (e.g. age, hormones, etc.).

When you reach your genetic maximum potential aas is used to break past that point. But as a last resort. Not like kids today wanting a shortcut.

**BlueWaffle21** · 06-23-2012, 09:50 PM

I got to a point at which no matter how on point my diet was, I had a tough time not looking like I did at 22. I felt most the symptoms of low Test levels as well so I finally decided to switch to the dark side. I always swore I would never do it since I always looked better and was stronger than my buddies that juiced when I was younger. I just got to that breaking point and I don't regret it at all. I feel like I'm 22 again and I look forward to continued cycling.

**sharmabrah** · 06-23-2012, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Year of Proper Training Potential Rate of Muscle Gain per Year
1 20-25 pounds (2 pounds per month)
2 10-12 pounds (1 pound per month)
3 5-6 pounds (0.5 pound per month)
4+ 2-3 pounds (not worth calculating)

Again, these values are for males, females would use roughly half of those values (e.g. 10-12 pounds in the first year of proper training).

Please note that these are averages and make a few assumptions about proper training and nutrition and such. As well, age will interact with this; older individuals won’t gain as quickly and younger individuals may gain more quickly. For example, it’s not unheard of for underweight high school kids to gain muscle very rapidly. But they are usually starting out very underweight and have the natural anabolic steroid cycle called puberty working for them.

Year of training also refers to proper years of training. Someone who has been training poorly for 4 years and gained squat for muscle gains may still have roughly the Year 1 potential when they start training properly.

Now, if you total up those values, you get a gain of roughly 40-50 pounds of total muscle mass over a lifting career although it might take a solid 4+ years of proper training to achieve that. So if you started with 130 pound of lean body mass (say in high school you were 150 pounds with 12% body fat), you might have the potential to reach a level of 170-180 pounds of lean body mass after 4-5 years of proper training. At 12% body fat, that would put you at a weight of 190-200 pounds.

Again, that’s a rough average, you might find some who gain a bit more and some who gain a bit less. And there will be other factors that impact on the above numbers (e.g. age, hormones, etc.).

When you reach your genetic maximum potential aas is used to break past that point. But as a last resort. Not like kids today wanting a shortcut.

CB do you think that even though I have trained for a year (not made as good gains as I wish cause my diet and routine was less than average) then I could make some impressive gains if I stuck to a perfect diet and had my workout routine in order? Could I still be in that first year category? I made a thread in the nutrition forum because I really want to improve myself but I'm not sure if many people will reply or help because I am so young and inexperienced.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-23-2012, 10:03 PM

Diet and training are key. Diet is the most important thing you can work on. The nutrition section doesnt care about age. They will help

**NotConvincedYet** · 06-23-2012, 10:06 PM

Dude, at 20 years old, only a year of training under your belt, less than average training and diet... You can make some very impressive gains with dedication (you need a lot of dedication and discipline to make impressive gains). Don't even entertain yourself with the idea of roids right now.

Learn how to train, eat and how your body reacts to both. That will yield the results...

**castiron** · 06-23-2012, 10:08 PM

for the ladies

**sharmabrah** · 06-23-2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by NotConvincedYet

Dude, at 20 years old, only a year of training under your belt, less than average training and diet... You can make some very impressive gains with dedication (you need a lot of dedication and discipline to make impressive gains). Don't even entertain yourself with the idea of roids right now.

Learn how to train, eat and how your body reacts to both. That will yield the results...

Bro, CB and some of the other posters were the ones who put me off the idea of doing AAS at such a young age. I'm not even considering it man. I know that if I have a great diet and training program then I'll stick to it - no doubt about it. I just need help making a proper diet with macro's and all that (some of my older mates who are much bigger than me don't even understand that stuff). I'm just still relatively new and need some help.

**austinite** · 06-23-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Diet and training are key. Diet is the most important thing you can work on. The nutrition section doesnt care about age. They will help

That's right. How AAS got the reputation of being magic beans is beyond me.

**SportbikerKid** · 06-23-2012, 10:41 PM

There are many reasons that people choose to use steroids : aesthetics, strength, girls, breaking natty limits, or just for kicks, and there is no way that you can say one reason is more valid than another.
There is no great reason to use sterods. Nobody NEEDS to use. It purely comes down to a personal choice in regards to deciding when/if to use.

In my opinion, a sixteen year old benching 100 pounds and squatting 200 has just as much of a right to use PE's as a 30 year old benching 4 plates and squatting 6. Of course there are certain prerequisites which make these chemicals much safer and help ensure that the user achieves maximized results; however, it all boils down to the individual's decision.

That being said, if you care about safety/results, you should listen to the veterans on the forum and follow their advice.

**NotConvincedYet** · 06-24-2012, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by sharmabrah

Bro, CB and some of the other posters were the ones who put me off the idea of doing AAS at such a young age. I'm not even considering it man. I know that if I have a great diet and training program then I'll stick to it - no doubt about it. I just need help making a proper diet with macro's and all that (some of my older mates who are much bigger than me don't even understand that stuff). I'm just still relatively new and need some help.

Cool, apologies.

Just ignore that sentence in my post that says 'don't entertain yourself with the idea of roids'. Good on you for making that decision. Wise choice.

Keep asking specific questions about diet and training, and get yourself a regime. Stick to it, keep powering through the pain barriers and you'll get there

**bigZthedestroyer** · 06-24-2012, 01:50 AM

I havnt cycled yet because I have been making some sweet gains. I was close to cycling last year after my first bbing show but I decided to switch up my diet and training routine. Since then I've put on about 30 lbs. I'm gonna try for another 15-20 before I run one! I mainly want to cycle because I just want to be huge! I dream of the day I can say something to someone and their only reply is HOLY S***! Lol