vials or amps

**castiron** · 06-26-2012, 08:52 PM

which do you prefer and why?

Ive never used amps... the vials seem like they could be more easily contaminated, also I used the same needle to jab as to remove the oil from the vial so it wasnt as sharp as i would have liked. I know I could have used separate needles but didnt, I was worried about contaminating the oil.

The amps seem like they would break off tiny pieces of glass that would get into the needle, and ultimately the person? Also how do you break them?

anyways I have the option of either and advice would be appreciated.

**poppz** · 06-26-2012, 09:11 PM

amps will save needles because you have to change them after you draw it up. I've used amps and prefer that better. Sometimes you get a lil glass at bottom but u can see it and put the needle away from it. At least I never had any problems anyway.

**castiron** · 06-26-2012, 09:18 PM

has anyone ever heard of someone injecting glass!? sounds BRUTAL. what do you think about a little cotton filter, like a junkie? I really dont want glass inside my leg. I feel like a wheel filter would get cut by the glass, and it would bust through.

**poppz** · 06-26-2012, 09:28 PM

Well get vials. Only downside of that is more needles and wiping the top with alcohol everytime I inject into it.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-26-2012, 09:31 PM

vials you can also dose anyway you want.
amps are human grade stuff. So thats always better.
look how small the inside of a pin is. Then think how small a piece of glass would have to be to fit. Then it would have to line up straight with the whole.

**castiron** · 06-26-2012, 09:39 PM

all i can think of is all of those tiny shards of glass laying around when i break a beer bottle, surely they could fit in the hole. there are definitely some that are hair sized...

**poppz** · 06-26-2012, 09:51 PM

I've seen it happen once to me. And I could clearly see it from the side. I avoided it with no prob. Its a clean snap. I go through some needles I'd like to have amps.

**Flacco** · 06-26-2012, 10:30 PM

Yeah, I really don't care, but if I had the choice, I'd go with amps for all the reasons listed above.

**austinite** · 06-26-2012, 10:44 PM

the only thing I like about amp is they are pretty much guaranteed to be real. Most manufacturers will not spend the money on machinery to make amps. Otherwise, I prefer vials.

**nooby** · 06-27-2012, 02:20 AM

You should use filtered needles for drawing up amps, if you don't you are taking a stupid risk. With either vial or amp, the proper way is to use two needles.

**ghettoboyd** · 06-27-2012, 03:21 AM

multi dose vials are the way to go imho its just so simple to wipe the stopper with alcohol and needles are so cheap so what if you have to change the pin after you draw from the vial...amps seem more like a pain in the a$$ in my opinion...

**ironbeck** · 06-27-2012, 03:32 AM

If by the slim chance u got a piece of glass small enough to be drawn up, chances are its so small you wouldn't notice and it wouldn't do much, your body would probably dissolve it you none the wiser, or at the very worst your body would push it to the surface. 99% it would just be dissolved by the body. No big deal.

**stpete** · 06-27-2012, 04:23 AM

When an amps break the wrong way, everything is left in your hand. Including the juice. But typically, it's a pretty clean break.

**freddy1418** · 06-27-2012, 05:07 AM

I just yesterday broke two F**KING amps trying to open one losing 2ml of gear... next time I'll prob go with a vial unless I invest in a amp opener... I lost a week of my cycle

**marcus300** · 06-27-2012, 05:15 AM

Amps all the way for me

**Flacco** · 06-27-2012, 05:18 AM

I cut myself today opening a B12 amp. I usually wrap the whole thing in Toilet paper or a napkin and then snap the top off. Might not save it from shattering each and every time but at least you won't cut yourself.

**Scabtree** · 06-27-2012, 08:26 AM

An amp opener is a handy rig. After it scars the breaking point, you can wipe away the fine bits of glass with a swab,

After that, the break is typically clean

**castiron** · 06-27-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

If by the slim chance u got a piece of glass small enough to be drawn up, chances are its so small you wouldn't notice and it wouldn't do much, your body would probably dissolve it you none the wiser, or at the very worst your body would push it to the surface. 99% it would just be dissolved by the body. No big deal.

No big deal huh. That is absurd. Theres no way your body can "absorb" glass. Especially before it does damage. It would be like a tiny razor blade, cutting with every muscle contraction. Please cite your source if you determine that your claim is correct. I dont believe it and think that is very bad advice.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-27-2012, 09:22 AM

i've used hundreds of amps threw the years. I never had an issue with glass. none of my friends have, nor do i remember anyone posting they got glass in them in the 11 years i've been here

**ttufan111** · 06-27-2012, 09:23 AM

Used Amps many years ago, I prefer them as well.

**swm1972** · 06-27-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by freddy1418

I just yesterday broke two F**KING amps trying to open one losing 2ml of gear... next time I'll prob go with a vial unless I invest in a amp opener... I lost a week of my cycle

Get a thin file from a hardware store. Either thin flat or better yet one of the triangle profile files. Score the amp with that file a couple times all the way around and broken amps will be a thing of the past.

**swm1972** · 06-27-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i've used hundreds of amps threw the years. I never had an issue with glass. none of my friends have, nor do i remember anyone posting they got glass in them in the 11 years i've been here

X2

I've burned through hundreds of amps with never a single glass shard issue.

**castiron** · 06-27-2012, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Get a thin file from a hardware store. Either thin flat or better yet one of the triangle profile files. Score the amp with that file a couple times all the way around and broken amps will be a thing of the past.

I bet a diamond file would really do the trick.

**Flacco** · 06-28-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by castiron

No big deal huh. That is absurd. Theres no way your body can "absorb" glass. Especially before it does damage. It would be like a tiny razor blade, cutting with every muscle contraction. Please cite your source if you determine that your claim is correct. I dont believe it and think that is very bad advice.

He's actually correct.

I know people that have had glass/metal stuck in them. Your body with either reject it and it will eventually come out... or it'll stay in there any you will or will not get an infection. IDK about absorbing, but as far as the piece of glass dulling inside you and not having any effect... yes that would happen. Chances are you might get irritated or an infection. Chances are also that it wouldn't effect you at all. The chances of you drawing up glass into a syringe are small as Gixx pointed out... as long as your not using a 10 guage needle. I know a guy that has a needle in his vein that broke off from drug use. He's getting an operation to get it out soon. But besides concern, it hasn't caused him any problems. I also know guys that have gotten metal shavings stuck in them and the whole area got infected. Eventually the body rejected it and it was easy but painful to pull out. Your body will push forgein objects to the surface of the skin, rejecting them.

**ironbeck** · 06-28-2012, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by castiron

No big deal huh. That is absurd. Theres no way your body can "absorb" glass. Especially before it does damage. It would be like a tiny razor blade, cutting with every muscle contraction. Please cite your source if you determine that your claim is correct. I dont believe it and think that is very bad advice.

My source is myself I have had the following in my blood stream due to work, working conditions over the years(steel, iron, aluminum, glass, absestos, titanium, acetylene, propylene, hydrochloric acid, galvanized metal, copper, lead........ect) all in miniscule amounts but never the less. I have been to the DR many x over the years, your body is more resilient than u may think. Now that being said, I'm not saying I have not done damage over the yrs, a small piece of glass pls, rub some dirt in it you will be fine. But you may break a nail though.

**castiron** · 06-28-2012, 11:13 AM

Wow. i didnt think that was true...

**gixxerboy1** · 06-28-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

My source is myself I have had the following in my blood stream due to work, working conditions over the years(steel, iron, aluminum, glass, absestos, titanium, acetylene, propylene, hydrochloric acid, galvanized metal, copper, lead........ect) all in miniscule amounts but never the less. I have been to the DR many x over the years, your body is more resilient than u may think. Now that being said, I'm not saying I have not done damage over the yrs, a small piece of glass pls, rub some dirt in it you will be fine. But you may break a nail though.

yea i worked in a machine shop for years. I got all kinds of stuff in me. Same thing with infections. You have an immune system. Not saying not to be clean about injections, but some guys make it like they are doing open heart surgery.

**freddy1418** · 06-28-2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Get a thin file from a hardware store. Either thin flat or better yet one of the triangle profile files. Score the amp with that file a couple times all the way around and broken amps will be a thing of the past.

Thanks for tip... will try

AD · 06-28-2012, 10:01 PM

glass doesn't get absorbed or dissolved in the body. your body will form a scar tissue around it if its small enough. and nothing else happens. it remains inert and harmless for ever.