Cutting down, Test, Mast, Winstrol and Proviron

**Gi812Many** · 07-03-2012, 02:03 PM

Ok guys, this is my first round cutting down...Ive been following the slingshot method for a year now. This will be ran for 8 weeks. Any one ran something similar?

Test 750mgs/weekly down from 1.5g
Winstrol 75mgs/daily
Masteron 500mgs/weekly
Proviron 50mgs/daily
T3 50mcg's daily, going to stay on it for a long period of time.

**ata1979** · 07-04-2012, 08:04 AM

Winny and Masteron together are gonna kill your joints. Also you dont need Proviron if your running Masteron. If your cutting; I'm assuming your using Test Prop. Test Prop and Masteron would be a nice cycle. If you have to have a third compound, substitue the Winny with Primo or Anavar . Be very very careful with the T3. I would highly recommend not taking it, especially for a long period of time. You can easily mess up your thyroid and once its broke its hard to fix.

**Gi812Many** · 07-04-2012, 08:55 AM

I have both Anavar and Primo on hand. Have a friend competing in the Mr. Florida and this was his protocol. I have had so many mixed opinions on T3, some saying could mess your thyroid and others saying your thyroid bounces back fairly quickly even after years of use. Ronnie Rowland suggests to stay on the T3?

**DanB** · 07-04-2012, 08:59 AM

Anybody that says a few weeks/months on t3 will mess up your thyroid for life, I say show me somebody that it has done this to, I will show you hundreads that it hasnt, I'm yet to hear or see anybody in person or on internet with real long term problems related to t3, just keep doses sensible and your g2g with t3

You can use any test to cut, its a common misconception that you can only cut on prop

Personally I would drop the provirion, 2 reasons, first is you wont notice much from it, second is I would be worried enough about my hair running 2 derivatives of DHT (mast,winny) and wouldnt tempt faith any more then necessary with proviron (even though its known to be the mildest out of 3) I may even drop the winny altogether for var or tbol since the mast will do a great job drying/hardening you by itself, but if you arent worried about your hair then just run the winny and forget what I said about changing it

**castiron** · 07-04-2012, 09:29 AM

is there a compound for T3 that keeps thyroid working like HCG /PCT for AAS?

**DanB** · 07-04-2012, 09:42 AM

Not that I'm aware of

**Gi812Many** · 07-04-2012, 10:08 PM

Thanks for that DanB.....Im just going to add the Primo and cut out the Winny. Winny alone had no issues with hair loss, although Masteron literally stops my hair growth.

**Yellow** · 07-05-2012, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Ok guys, this is my first round cutting down...Ive been following the slingshot method for a year now. This will be ran for 8 weeks. Any one ran something similar?

Test 750mgs/weekly down from 1.5g
Winstrol 75mgs/daily
Masteron 500mgs/weekly
Proviron 50mgs/daily
T3 50mcg's daily, going to stay on it for a long period of time.

Combination of Winstrol, Masteron and Proviron are overkill.. They all three are DHT and harsh for your hairline & prostate... They also kill your joints too..
Choose only 2 of them and add clenbuterol to the stack..
You could also add trenbolone if you don't mind.

**ata1979** · 07-05-2012, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

Anybody that says a few weeks/months on t3 will mess up your thyroid for life, I say show me somebody that it has done this to, I will show you hundreads that it hasnt, I'm yet to hear or see anybody in person or on internet with real long term problems related to t3, just keep doses sensible and your g2g with t3

You can use any test to cut, its a common misconception that you can only cut on prop

Personally I would drop the provirion, 2 reasons, first is you wont notice much from it, second is I would be worried enough about my hair running 2 derivatives of DHT (mast,winny) and wouldnt tempt faith any more then necessary with proviron (even though its known to be the mildest out of 3) I may even drop the winny altogether for var or tbol since the mast will do a great job drying/hardening you by itself, but if you arent worried about your hair then just run the winny and forget what I said about changing it

If you read my past posts you will realize that I am suffered from severe hypothyroidism resulting from prolonged T3 use. I gained 60lbs in 2 years and could figure out why, I was working out, eating ok, nothing to clean but also nothing to warrant weight gain. Then I went to the doc cause I was always tired and feeling like crap. I thought I was gonna need TRT but it turns out that why metabolism had basically stopped. I had a riduculously high TSH, doc said it was the highest he ever saw.

Well, I guess I'm one out of hundreds. Just trying to share some knowledge from my experiences so someone on here doesnt become number two.

**Gi812Many** · 07-05-2012, 12:24 PM

Yellow...I actually am just finishing up my last cycle, up to 1200mgs/weekly of Tren ...Just hit my threshold, quality of life just sucks lately. Going to take a break from it for a bit. Ive decided to switch it up and looks like this.

Test - 750mgs/weekly
Masteron 500mgs/weekly
Primo 600mgs/weekly
Proviron 50mgs/daily
T3 50mcgs

**Yellow** · 07-09-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Yellow...I actually am just finishing up my last cycle, up to 1200mgs/weekly of Tren ...Just hit my threshold, quality of life just sucks lately. Going to take a break from it for a bit. Ive decided to switch it up and looks like this.

Test - 750mgs/weekly
Masteron 500mgs/weekly
Primo 600mgs/weekly
Proviron 50mgs/daily
T3 50mcgs

That's better cycle outlined...

Up the test to 1gram per week and masteron to 700mg per week.
Since you already have masteron & proviron there is no need to worry about water retention and estrogen conversion from test.
Higher dose of test will boost your metabolism hence more bodyfat will be burned during cutting or dieting, also muscles retention is better when on high dose of test...
Primo is very mild steroid , I think you should increase to 800-1000mg/week to get benefits & effects from it..

Add clen too, start from 40mcg and then increase 20mcg every 1-2 weeks (then stay at 140-160mcg at max). Clen does have very good fat burning effect when combined with T3.
How long have you been on T3? Did you start at 50mcg or start from low and taper-up?

Yeah, it's true.. Tren is potent & harsh, I do have bad quality of life too while on it (especially on high dose) LOL...

**Gi812Many** · 07-09-2012, 11:04 PM

That's better cycle outlined...

Up the test to 1gram per week and masteron to 700mg per week.
Since you already have masteron & proviron there is no need to worry about water retention and estrogen conversion from test.
Higher dose of test will boost your metabolism hence more bodyfat will be burned during cutting or dieting, also muscles retention is better when on high dose of test...
Primo is very mild steroid , I think you should increase to 800-1000mg/week to get benefits & effects from it..

Add clen too, start from 40mcg and then increase 20mcg every 1-2 weeks (then stay at 140-160mcg at max). Clen does have very good fat burning effect when combined with T3.
How long have you been on T3? Did you start at 50mcg or start from low and taper-up?

Yeah, it's true.. Tren is potent & harsh, I do have bad quality of life too while on it (especially on high dose) LOL...

I have enough Test, Mast I only have 5,000mgs total so could bump it up to 600mgs/weekly and primo I have 5,000mgs so have to keep it at 600mgs. Do not know if I have enough time to get it in before I start. I myself had great results at 800mgs but, im still up in the air as to if it was much more effective than 600mgs? Same with Tren , I was on 1.2g this last go round, honestly dont think I got anymore out of it then I did at 800mgs other than just terrible sides. The T3 I have not started it yet. Im reading a lot about guys being flat and losing pumps around 50mcg's daily. Seems a sweet spot for maintenance purposes is around 17.5mcg to 25mcg's if I remember correctly. You dont get that flat look or lose your pump. Im planing keeping the T3 around for a while, up to a year maybe more.

**Yellow** · 07-11-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

I have enough Test, Mast I only have 5,000mgs total so could bump it up to 600mgs/weekly and primo I have 5,000mgs so have to keep it at 600mgs. Do not know if I have enough time to get it in before I start. I myself had great results at 800mgs but, im still up in the air as to if it was much more effective than 600mgs? Same with Tren, I was on 1.2g this last go round, honestly dont think I got anymore out of it then I did at 800mgs other than just terrible sides. The T3 I have not started it yet. Im reading a lot about guys being flat and losing pumps around 50mcg's daily. Seems a sweet spot for maintenance purposes is around 17.5mcg to 25mcg's if I remember correctly. You dont get that flat look or lose your pump. Im planing keeping the T3 around for a while, up to a year maybe more.

That's great if you have good supply of test, bump it to 1 gram per week. Test is very important during dieting/cutting..
It also maintains our libido/sex drive, cholesterol level, appetite, etc.. Without test, our body can't function normally..
Test is the king of roids, where as tren is the god of roids LOL...

Regarding masteron , up it to 600mg per week if you have enough.. It's very good when combined with test since it has good muscle hardening effects and it frees up more test.. It also has anti-estrogenic properties which control the estrogen conversion of the test (not eliminate it to unhealthy level like femara & arimidex does).. What we need is to control estrogen, not eliminate it (since we do need some estrogen to function normally even building muscle & gaining strength need some estrogen).

Yeah primo is much more effective at 800-1000mg per week.. It isn't like tren.. More is not better with tren, since it's harsh compound and the sides will outweigh the benefits when we use more than what we can handle.. 600-800mg per week is the sweet spot for most.. People rarely can handle above 1000mg of tren per week..

Yupp, that's right.. The sweet spot for maintenance dose of T3 is around 25-37.5mcg daily.. T3 burns a lot of calories from carbs, protein, and fat so that it burns muscle too if we take it too high without sufficient anabolics to support.. If you decide to go above 50mcg daily, you should run tren with high dose of test along with HGH to avoid muscle catabolism..

BTW isn't a year is too long for T3 usage? Don't you worry about thyroid gland shutdown?