Hypertension and Test Prop? Pretty Serious.

**warmouth** · 07-09-2012, 09:55 PM

Hey guys. I am 30 years old, 170ish, 5'10" and currently in my 7th week of Test Prop only 100-125mgs/EOD. My issueis that I have had hypertension for 15 years. I have had it under control with daily blood pressure meds daily. On myfirst pinning of Prop, my heart rate jumped and it really scarred me, but the next day all was fine and every other time has been fine. The last 3 days I have checked my blood pressure and have noticed it being WAY too high. Even with the meds, it still runs 130-135/80-85. I know thats not sky high, but its the best my doctors can do for now. But anyways, the last 3 days it has been running a dangerous 145/95 with a heart rate of 110 continuosly. I wanted to know if this was common for the short ester compounds or maybe it is my diet. I have been taking in roughly 200 grams of protein, GNC VitaPak Strength, recently green tea extract and Fish Oil. Pre Workout C4 and sometimes 1.M.R(Never together). Post Workout I have been taking GNCs Amp Wheybolic Extreme Protein. I have been eatingmoderately clean, even though whenI carb up pre workout I might have a donut and some pixi stix. I also have to admit that most of my daily intake of protein comes in shakes. I just dont have a choice there due to my job. I really dont want to give up on the cycle as I amfinally seeing insane results, but if it is the cause of this rapid heartbeat and heart rate, I have to ditch it unless I can find anothe medicine to control it. Please dont jjust tellme toget off the Prop without first looking over my daily routine and supplements. If the Prop is the reason alone, by all means, please tell me. Thank all youguys for everything so far. I know many of you guys are here to help and I apprieciate that. TO the others who dont read the post other than the first couple of lines and the last, feel free to drop inthe comments too, but I already know what theyll be, ha ha.

**nooby** · 07-09-2012, 10:50 PM

Well I am on Tren , and my BP shot up to 220 /130. Had to be put on clonidine. It helped. What type of meds do you take? Also all that caffeine in that pre-workout drink can't help. What's your sodium intake like? Are you taking an Ai, to stop sides from estrogen, such as fluid retention, which causes increased BP?

Also, when and where are you checking your BP?

**warmouth** · 07-09-2012, 10:51 PM

Also, researching testosterone is freaking me out a bit. Since this post, I have been watching youtube and such and all I am seeing is how bad steriods are. I know it is a scare tactic, but still. I havent seen anything that relates testosterone to cardiovascular atrophy, so I am really hoping it isnt the Prop. Anything would be great.

**Bonaparte** · 07-09-2012, 10:58 PM

You don't sound educated enough to be doing this, especially with your existing hypertension.
Coming off would be the best option.
Also, how much weight have you gained from the prop?

**warmouth** · 07-09-2012, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by nooby

Well I am on Tren , and my BP shot up to 220 /130. Had to be put on clonidine. It helped. What type of meds do you take? Also all that caffeine in that pre-workout drink can't help. What's your sodium intake like? Are you taking an Ai, to stop sides from estrogen, such as fluid retention, which causes increased BP?

Also, when and where are you checking your BP?

I am sure the Pre workout is not good for me, but I checked yesterday, which was an off day, and it was the same. My BP med is Losartin. I changed from Lisinopril because it shot my natural test levels and they is why I was put on TRT. I havent beenrunning an AI, just the test, but I am telling you, I have no fluid retention at all. Skin is super thin, veins blowing out like an octopuss, and sodiumhas been a problem for me, but I have cut back quite a bit, but I still might be taking too much. AndI checked my BP at the pharmacy after eating dinner with my parents. Mom said my face looked sunburned it was so flushed. This was after eating a big roast beef sandwich from the deli. The nextday I was eating with my wifes parents. Her dad asked me how I got sunburned. I told him I was at the gym all day and wasnt in the sun. We went and checked it at CVS and it was still through the roof. Thenext day(sunday), another off day, My sister checked it at 9:30 pm and it was still 145/98 with 110 Pulse rate. Is the clondine a prescription or something you can pick up onAR-R? Thank you for helping me get to the bottom of this!

**warmouth** · 07-09-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

You don't sound educated enough to be doing this, especially with your existing hypertension.
Coming off would be the best option.
Also, how much weight have you gained from the prop?

I guess I am not very educated. This is what I am talking about. I didnt just get the Prop and pin blindly. I spoke with alot of users about this and was told by them all that a basic Test should interfer with HBP. I was told to stay away from Clen , Tren , and T3 until I see if this is a lifestyle I was willing to endure. I spoke with many on here about the cycle before I started it. Mywhole family is in the medical field, so I grew up in knowing the body and compounds used etc. I am not a doctor, butI amnot stupid enough to inject a poison intomyself withoutknowing anything about it. I am very cautious. I am on TRT and have never experience anything with it. That is why in my post I listed my supplements and diet to narrow down everything in case it might be something else interfering.

**warmouth** · 07-10-2012, 12:40 AM

Could it be the extra 25mgs Ive jumped too that has done it?

AD · 07-10-2012, 01:22 AM

you probably should still run the AI even though you think you don't have fluid retention. the raised BP may itself be a sign of water retention.

your pulse rate seems high but i don't think your BP levels are extremely dangerous. you can simply start the AI and see if your BP goes back down.

the best course of action may be to go back to your doc who looks after your BP. he probably will increase your losartan and you'll be fine.

**warmouth** · 07-10-2012, 12:54 PM

Thanks alot man. I didnt know water retention could raise BP. Ill hop on AR-R and pickup an AI if there is one you recommend. And in your opinion, should I let my Dr know about the cycle? I know I will hear a bunch of "horror stories" but didnt knowifitwaseven worth mentioning.

**MuscleInk** · 07-10-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

You don't sound educated enough to be doing this, especially with your existing hypertension.
Coming off would be the best option.
Also, how much weight have you gained from the prop?

I agree with Bonaparte. What were you thinking!?! Who told you to do this? Spend any amount of time reading and you'll see water retention, elevated BP and HR as well as changes to the left ventricular wall of your heart are common artifacts of AASs (although, frequent heavy lifting may also cause ventricular changes). This is why the vets are so opposed to newbies jumping into junk too early. It's not a magic pill (or injection) and is dangerous in the hands of the naive. There are merits to HRT but you have to know the risks and how to properly navigate those risks. Would you buy a car without searching reviews or information before the purchase to make sure it's what you want?

Help yourself. Get off the junk. Educate yourself. Make an informed decision and when you have all the right information and everything is aligned (your nutrition and lifting is far more important) then revisit AASs if it's the best thing to do.

**JAB1** · 07-10-2012, 01:11 PM

I would get liquidex from arr.

**nooby** · 07-10-2012, 02:00 PM

And another thing. CVS is not the best place to diagnose hogh blood pressure. You have to have a cuff that fits your arm, and take multiple readings throughout the day, and while at rest.

**Capebuffalo** · 07-10-2012, 02:26 PM

Biography:
Just getting into working out. I need ALOT of advice! I have no partner and am alone in doing this.

Get off the juice. You are not ready for this. Plus the other cycles you ran had no test?

**warmouth** · 07-10-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I agree with Bonaparte. What were you thinking!?! Who told you to do this? Spend any amount of time reading and you'll see water retention, elevated BP and HR as well as changes to the left ventricular wall of your heart are common artifacts of AASs (although, frequent heavy lifting may also cause ventricular changes). This is why the vets are so opposed to newbies jumping into junk too early. It's not a magic pill (or injection) and is dangerous in the hands of the naive. There are merits to HRT but you have to know the risks and how to properly navigate those risks. Would you buy a car without searching reviews or information before the purchase to make sure it's what you want?
Help yourself. Get off the junk. Educate yourself. Make an informed decision and when you have all the right information and everything is aligned (your nutrition and lifting is far more important) then revisit AASs if it's the best thing to do.

Trust me, I researched the heck out of doing it. I really didnt even want to start until I found out my natural test sucks. I have several friends who have been using for 20+years and they are the ones (as well as everyone on this forum) who said to use a test only cycle. I have 2 weeks left of the Prop andhave been on 7 weeks. Everything has been going perfectly andI have had no sides and have been constantly questioning members while doing it. Since I cut out the GNC VitaPak 2 days ago, BP is back to normal. Still a touch high, but that is my normal. The Vitamin pack has tribulus, creatine,an anabolic primer and 2 multi vitamins. I do think the tribulus and the primer were the main culprit, and the creatine suppossedly retains water. Now, do I waste the last half of my 3rd bottle to come off 2 weeks early, or do Ifinish it up and go back on my TRT and AI?

AD · 07-11-2012, 03:05 AM

wait... you're already on trt with ai? then why did you stop the ai when you blast a cycle?

if you're already on trt, i dont see what more damage you can do to yourself. as long as your bp and pulse rate are ok, you probably can consider going ahead and finish what you started..