Questions About Tren

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 05:12 AM

A friend of mine has just recently turned my interest toward AAS and ive tried out a couple different things since, and spent quite a bit of time reading this forum and learning what I can.

I recently just picked up a bottle of tren acetate but was told it wasnt good for bulking, because of the acetate ester it was for cutting... but tren is tren no matter the ester right?

and secondly Ive read trens anabolic properties are enhanced with estrogen, would that mean that one would not run an ai on a tren cycle? or maybe a lower dose?

Thanks for the imput.

**gonzo6183** · 07-22-2012, 05:20 AM

First off if you have been reading here for a while why did you buy tren ? you should know this is a very bad choice for a first cycle.

As for the other information you have been told well, its wrong.

Start by giving us your stats:
Age
height
weight
bodyfat
years training
any cycle experience
goals
diet
and anything else you can think of

**ghettoboyd** · 07-22-2012, 05:28 AM

it really dosent matter op, besides the fact that you are way over your head here, tren a is a short ester and needs to be injected eod so you have no where near enough to run a cycle...id say keep on reading...

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 05:51 AM

thiis was a random bottle out of a buddys personal stash, he had 3 of them and 2 got broken so he tossed me the one and if i liked it id just get more its easy for me to get.

but anyways...

20
5'10"
170
low body fat...
7yrs training and dieting

First cycle was a "mini cycle" just a corner of a bottle of thai dbol pills and a bottle of cheap prop was given to me to try out... workout out for 2 weeks and put on 15 lbs (started at 145lbs)

got sick and didnt eat for almost a week and lost pretty much all of it

now im on 400mgs of deca and 500mgs of sust for about 5 wks and im back up to 170

**Atomini** · 07-22-2012, 05:52 AM

Sgt. Popper,

You need to put everything down and do a lot more research and reading before heading into a cycle. You are grossly mistaken about a couple of things you mentioned in your post. First off, trenbolone is a very poor choice for a first cycle. It is an extremely strong anabolic (in fact it is THE strongest anabolic steroid out there), and it comes with many potential side effects that do not exist with any other anabolic steroid out there, and they are very difficult for beginner users to grasp effectively. It takes a lot of experience with AAS and understanding of the compound to know how it works and how to effectively control these potential side effects. If you don't know what you are doing with tren , you can land yourself in a world of hurt.

You also bought ONLY a bottle of tren? This tells me you were planning on running trenbolone on its own. Very, very, very, very, very bad idea. Trenbolone should always be run with at least a small dose of testosterone , unless you want a horrid experience with sexual dysfunction and other bodily functions becoming impaired due to a lack of testosterone. Either way, you should not be using trenbolone at your level right now in any case.

With that being said, I just want to address this:

I recently just picked up a bottle of tren acetate but was told it wasnt good for bulking, because of the acetate ester it was for cutting... but tren is tren no matter the ester right?

This is wrong, though you are correct about the ester and tren being tren regardless. Trenbolone is an extremely potent anabolic steroid, as I just mentioned. Tren's anabolic rating is 500. By comparison, Testosterone's anabolic rating is 100 (testosterone is the standard by which all other anabolic steroids are measured against). This means to get the same effect off tren with test, you'd need to use 5x as much test. Its nice strong stuff, and tren can support a good bulking cycle due to its strength, OR cutting cycle due to its abscence of bloat and affinity to initiate fat loss more than other AAS. It has nothing to do with its ester.

and secondly Ive read trens anabolic properties are enhanced with estrogen, would that mean that one would not run an ai on a tren cycle ? or maybe a lower dose?

This is wrong. Where did you read this? Trenbolone does not convert into estrogen. It has nothing at all to do with estrogen, aside from the fact that if estrogen is high on a tren cycle, you have a higher risk of developing prolactin-related gyno from the PR-receptor upgregulation in breast tissue due to higher estrogen levels.

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 05:53 AM

and i bought the bottle cus its liquid gold and i got it at a good price and could sell it if i dont use it

**Atomini** · 07-22-2012, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Popper

thiis was a random bottle out of a buddys personal stash, he had 3 of them and 2 got broken so he tossed me the one and if i liked it id just get more its easy for me to get.

but anyways...

20
5'10"
170
low body fat...
7yrs training and dieting

First cycle was a "mini cycle" just a corner of a bottle of thai dbol pills and a bottle of cheap prop was given to me to try out... workout out for 2 weeks and put on 15 lbs (started at 145lbs)

got sick and didnt eat for almost a week and lost pretty much all of it

now im on 400mgs of deca and 500mgs of sust for about 5 wks and im back up to 170

At 20 years old, and 170 lbs on-cycle... you need to stop your cycle, go through PCT, and train naturally for a long while before using anything again. And your first cycle was d-bol only? You started it when you were at 145 lbs??

You need to do a lot more research before hurting yourself (and hopefully you haven't already). Anabolic steroids are not yet for you, you are first of all far too young to be using anything. And secondly, you severely lack a solid base of natural muscle before jumping on a cycle. One should ideally be at least 200lbs lean naturally before deciding to do a first cycle. Head over to the nutrition and training section of the forum to obtain help doing so. If you stick to your cycle, you will just end up in a constant vicious cycle of going up and down in weight. This is because you do not have the proper experience in training and nutrition yet to be ready for anabolic steroids .

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 05:57 AM

Atomini

i figured it was wrong thats why i asked, i couldnt just call someone wrong thats got more experience with these kinds of things than me without having it confirmed.

and no i wasnt planning on running it alone i have bottles of prop i was going to use with it

**John Andrew** · 07-22-2012, 06:04 AM

Mate you are asking for trouble. Liquid gold. Bullshit! You cannot use it or any other steroid . You are way too young to even think about them. Listen to Atomini! Everything he is saying is right! You should thank him for caring enough to try to stop you hurting yourself! John

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Sgt. Popper,

This is wrong. Where did you read this? Trenbolone does not convert into estrogen. It has nothing at all to do with estrogen, aside from the fact that if estrogen is high on a tren cycle, you have a higher risk of developing prolactin-related gyno from the PR-receptor upgregulation in breast tissue due to higher estrogen levels.

from this site "Evidence suggests that Finaplix when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that Trenbolone alone(22)"

^ from the tren profile, it wouldnt let me post the url

**mcfrankie** · 07-22-2012, 07:11 AM

Brother, if you were looking for the correct answers you came to the best place the people on this site are BAR-NONE the best out their, you may not hear what you want to but whatever you hear will be SPOT-ON! Atom.. is dead balls on! MY first cycle was tren and test prop and it was to say the least a train wreck for a few reasons..these people are complete strangers and are willing to assist us with ANY "legit' questions, I would come here before calling my buddy and hes got more juice then tropicana and thinks he's up to snuff on this world, AND then I found this site...hang in there ask a ton of questions and most importantly don't get turned off if you don't hear the answer you already have scripted in your head...

**songdog** · 07-22-2012, 07:24 AM

Bro you are to young to light.You need to train a few more yrs and learn how to eat.Hit the diet section and dont listen to your friends.

**Atomini** · 07-22-2012, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Popper

from this site "Evidence suggests that Finaplix when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that Trenbolone alone(22)"

^ from the tren profile, it wouldnt let me post the url

Ohhh, okay, I see. This is not applicable to us humans.

That was inserted into the trenbolone profile, and referenced a study done on animals. Do you realize that trenbolone is not FDA approved for human use? It is one of the few anabolic steroids not used in the medical field for human use at all. Trenbolone and Boldenone (aka Equipoise ) are both not approved for human use. Trenbolone's #1 legitemate use in industry is in cattle, in the form of finaplix pellets (still in the form of tren acetate, but it is in a solid pellet form). These pellets are implanted with a gun into the cattle's ears where it is then released into the animal to promote lean mass gain, so that you and I have more meat to eat when we go to the grocery store and stock up on steaks and pork chops.

Where does the estrogen part come into play? Well, one of the additional hormones that cattle farmers put into their livestock is estrogen. But this applies only to industrial livestock agriculture. Why would you want increased estrogen levels in YOUR body? Are you really going to pump estradiol into your system alongside trenbolone in order to increase weight gain? Most of the weight gain from estrogen comes in the form of peripheral edema (water retention) and fat retention, not muscle. I am not even going to begin to mention the myriad of health issues and risks that are associated with estrogen levels in men that are far above normal physiological levels (risks of prostate cancer go through the roof, gyno issues, blood pressure skyrocketing, etc. etc.).

In short, that reference really should be removed from that trenbolone profile, as it ONLY applies to the methods that farmers use to promote weight gain in their livestock, NOT for human anabolic steroid using bodybuilders.

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 04:20 PM

^ okay mint thanks for clearing that up.

and like i said before ive been lifting and dieting for years, when i was 15 i weighed 5 lbs less than i do now. However a couple yrs ago my life switched track and I fell out of the gym and pretty much any other intersts and became consumed in other things (hence the 145). long story short my heads strait again and my diet is back on track, and now im back in the gym full time, and i am re-dedicated to this life style.

I appreciate peoples concerns and realistically ya i am probly too young, but everyone i know that cranks have been doin it since highschool and theyre all fine. Besides telling me not to do somehing is like telling a little kid to not touch the big red button... so might as well help them do it properly.

**gonzo6183** · 07-22-2012, 05:29 PM

Feel sorry for you kid, you seem to be missing the point here completely and it doesnt seem like you can be helped. You are doing EVERYTHING wrong and wont listen to the advice you need to. good luck youll need it, especially in a few years when you and your mates realise the damage yo uhave done and realise you should have listened to the people that know better.

As for being like telling a kid not to push a big red button, yep you are spot on and prove the point that you are a kid, tell an adult not to press the big red button and they wont...

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 07:44 PM

EVERYTHING? really? EVERYTHING?

besides the fact u think im too young and skinny what am i doing so wrong?

**Capebuffalo** · 07-22-2012, 07:49 PM

I am always curious about these things? Could
You list everything you ate yesterday?

**frsttmer** · 07-22-2012, 07:59 PM

Your mini cycle of dbol and cheap prop seems wrong
then decca and sust, at 20 yrs old, for your first cycle? Other than the mini one? I dunno man

You should Listen to these guys, keep researching. Wait till you're 25 bla bla.
Learn how to eat
Good luck man

**Atomini** · 07-22-2012, 08:45 PM

I will reiterate my only advice to you that you are not yet ready for anabolic steroids , as you are far too young to be augmenting your hormones. You also severely lack a solid base of natural muscle before jumping on a cycle. You do not need anabolic steroids at your weight, you are too underdeveloped. You need to put more work into both your nutrition and/or training.

With that said, I have given my advice and I am now bowing out of this thread. The OP will do what he pleases despite whatever I or anyone else here says, but I have at least made my advice clear and reasoning behind it. I am tired of wasting time consistently attempting to steer and pursue people into the proper pathways, when they are dead-set on doing what they want to do anyhow. From now on, when I encounter a hard-headed young member, I am going to input my advice and then leave.

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I am always curious about these things? Could
You list everything you ate yesterday?

2 scoops of big time with 2 cups of milk, greek yogurt, 3 eggs with chorizo and peppers and some hashbrowns, blanched unsalted almonds, couple bannanas, yesturday was a busy day so for lunch i had to hit mucho burrito where i had 3 chicken tacos (usually have chicken or steak and big bowl of salad, always snacking on veggie platters, some peak freans lifesyle cookies, box of kd, roast chicken for din with brown rice and cooked veg, an apple and some pineapple, then another 2 scoops of big time with water.

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 09:13 PM

^ and a couple of pb & j's

**frsttmer** · 07-22-2012, 09:25 PM

You should check out the diet section. You could get some help getting that diet perfect. I've learned tons just from reading threads in that section.

They also helped me fix my diet which I thought was good. Turned out I needed a lot of improvement. I owe the gains I've made over the past yrs to those guys.

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 09:37 PM

forsure i know its far from what most of these ppl probly call a "good diet" and im always wanting to improve and learn new things. i feel my diets pretty good for someone my age tho and i think some ppl see 20 and just automatically shut themselves down.

**frsttmer** · 07-22-2012, 10:12 PM

I mean it has Some good things in it but needs lots of work but like you said, you're only 20. You could get your diet dialed in before you're 21, and start making serious gains that will last.

I'm pretty sure the guys here would recommend u stop your current cycle do pct, and hold of on the gear for 4 or 5 more yrs. you might think that Is a long time to wait but trust me it isn't.

By 25 your diet could be perfect and you could have made a ton of gains. I wish I could go back and have my diet perfect at 20 and stay natural for 5 yrs and then do aas at 25 after 4-5 yrs of non stop improving my workouts and diet.

Your diet is the most important thing if you're serious about improving your body. Strength and appearance.

**frsttmer** · 07-22-2012, 10:17 PM

There are a ton of 18-22 yr olds that come on here and all they want to hear is go ahead do the cycle you have laid out.

Some guys on here get frustrated with how many young guys won't take advice and think that they know it all.

**gonzo6183** · 07-22-2012, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Popper

EVERYTHING? really? EVERYTHING?

besides the fact u think im too young and skinny what am i doing so wrong?

Well yeah your too young, too skinny, you need to learn how to eat and probably how to train, your previous and current attempts at cycleing are all wrong and at the end of the day all the guys chipping in here know what they are talking about, if you want good advice you have it, listen and learn, eat a little humble pie and wait a few years, stop this cycle, PCT and you will be glad you did come 25 and you are ready

**Sgt. Popper** · 07-22-2012, 10:37 PM

understandable, I honestly only did them to cheat because i left so little time before summer to get back into shape, but then i ended up really liking them, even just the extra energy throughout the day. But the deca is almost gone and tren is apparently "cream of the crop"... not that i necesarily believe it but it looks pretty crazy and its about to expire so ill probly do it with prop then pct... would hate to waste it if it is that good.

thanks for everyones input, off to the nutrition and training section

**austinite** · 07-22-2012, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Popper

understandable, I honestly only did them to cheat because i left so little time before summer to get back into shape, but then i ended up really liking them, even just the extra energy throughout the day. But the deca is almost gone and tren is apparently "cream of the crop"... not that i necesarily believe it but it looks pretty crazy and its about to expire so ill probly do it with prop then pct... would hate to waste it if it is that good.

thanks for everyones imput, off to the nutrition and training section

Best thing I've heard today. Good job.

**gonzo6183** · 07-22-2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Popper

understandable, I honestly only did them to cheat because i left so little time before summer to get back into shape, but then i ended up really liking them, even just the extra energy throughout the day. But the deca is almost gone and tren is apparently "cream of the crop"... not that i necesarily believe it but it looks pretty crazy and its about to expire so ill probly do it with prop then pct... would hate to waste it if it is that good.thanks for everyones imput, off to the nutrition and training section

Wow you really are dumb as dog sh*t, youre going to do 1 vial of tren so it doesnt expire just as you run out of deca, and you think the colour of the oil makes it "look pretty crazy" have a look in your supermarket and see how many oils are yellow not that I think you are even capable of understanding what this means.

You will be wasting it becasue you wont get anything good from one vial but you will shut yourself down a bit harder, not that you havent already.

Please come back in a few months and let us know how you tackle is going after this deca tren cycle at your age, maybe you can start a thread and try to convince other guys your age how dumb it is to do what you are doing.

Again I still say stop all together and PCT

**frsttmer** · 07-22-2012, 10:50 PM

You shouldnt take the tren ... Let it expire or do whatever u gotta do with it. Seriously consider not doing it, y would u want to do the cream of the crop at 20? I will just make recovery that much harder. Right now doing your pct, I would imagine you'll recover easily. Add tren into the mix... I wouldn't risk it.

Anyway best of luck