thoughts on tren higher then test

**411vm** · 07-31-2012, 01:47 AM

Hey guys just wanting some opinons on running
tren higher than test
or
test higher then tren
I have herd that they compete for the same receptor is this true???? And whats your opinon???

**Misery13** · 07-31-2012, 06:09 AM

I wouldn't run anything higher than test.

**austinite** · 07-31-2012, 07:02 AM

I run TRT dose when on Tren . So yes, always run tren higher than test.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 07:38 AM

I am currently running Tren higher than Test. 800mg per week of tren ace (200mg EOD) with 100mg per week of test prop (25mg EOD).

I used to run it at like 400/week of test prop with 300/week of tren. Then I realized, why not just make tren the primary anabolic and leave test for purely maintaining normal bodily function. That way you totally avoid the estrogen related sides. No risk of bloat, no gyno, no estrogen, no SHBG from high test levels.

I highly reccomend running tren higher than test, and keep test at TRT doses.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 07:42 AM

Atomini, you consider TRT doses of Test 300mg's? Ive always read that 150-200mg's is TRT doses?

**slimshady01** · 07-31-2012, 07:44 AM

i see alot doing this and all i see is good reviews. For one I see a whole lot less sides when running it this way and better dryer gains from less estrogen.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Atomini, you consider TRT doses of Test 300mg's? Ive always read that 150-200mg's is TRT doses?

No, that's far too high. The body on its own naturally produces approximately 50-70mg per week, depending on factors such as genetica, age, diet, lifestyle habits, and other factors. 100mg per week is a good TRT dose. Any higher and you're getting into supraphysiological levels.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

No, that's far too high. The body on its own naturally produces approximately 50-70mg per week, depending on factors such as genetica, age, diet, lifestyle habits, and other factors. 100mg per week is a good TRT dose. Any higher and you're getting into supraphysiological levels.

So a good first time cycle of test/tren could be 200mgs of test and 200mg's of tren? Also do you do any running, sprints, cardio on tren? Most say it hurts it alot, but some say no difference.

**deathdodger** · 07-31-2012, 08:36 AM

Don't go higher than test.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

So a good first time cycle of test/tren could be 200mgs of test and 200mg's of tren? Also do you do any running, sprints, cardio on tren? Most say it hurts it alot, but some say no difference.

A good first tren run would be 100mg test per week with 250mg tren per week.

I don't do cardio. I know a lot of people have said that tren hampers cardio ability while you're on it. I wouldn't say it makes it 'hurt' more... It just makes you more winded. This is due to the prostaglandin F2 Alpha increase that tren increases.

Prior to this cycle i'm on now, I only ever used tren at no more than 300-400mg per week. And I did a full out 13 kilometer ruck march once (with no work-up training for it) with absolutely no problems and I was on a tren cycle at the time. I would gather that the cardio suppressive effect from tren really only starts to manifest itself at higher doses. At 250mg per week of tren, you won't notice a thing. At 900mg per week, you'll probably get winded just going up a flight of stairs.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 08:45 AM

I think later on today when I get home I am going to post a consummate tren thread with lots of info and insight, including my experiences because it seems like we've been getting A LOT of tren questions lately.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 08:48 AM

Interesting. Im very temped to try tren on my next cycle, but cardio cannot go down at all. Is there anything you can take to counter act hurting your cardio?

So a beginner cycle is 100mg/test and 250mg/tren. Tren A would be best assuming, and since its only 100mg's of test a longer ester like Test E or C then?

I just wish they didnt take the old steroid profile page down on here. Had great infomation. Detection times. Doses. Ect.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 08:58 AM

The steroid profile page is still here, they just moved all profiles to the main site and they all link to there now.

Unfortunately there is nothing I know of that counteracts the reduced cardio effect from tren . But like I said, it is only prominent with high doses. Anything under 300mg per week and you shouldn't really see diminished cardio. Also, everyone reacts differently.

When I get home later, i'll create a tren thread to answer the most common questions. I know that upon first glance, people get freaked out by tren.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 09:00 AM

The profile link they have isnt the same. Not the the same information at all. The one they had before would be great for guys to read up on.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 12:12 PM

Also what is the normal number of weeks its ok to run tren ?

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 12:28 PM

I advise all cycles to be no longer than 8 weeks no matter what you run. 8 does seem to be the sweet spot for most people on tren , though. If you get insomnia from tren, running it for more than 8 weeks gets annoying when you don't get quality sleep every night. And tren is so effective that there really is no need to run long cycles with it - 8 weeks is just fine.

I'm a big advocate of shorter cycles, 8 weekers, 10 weeks MAX and even I think 10 is pushing it.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 12:36 PM

OK, another question with tren . What if you are running Test for 12weeks, you can add Tren to it for the last 8weeks then right? And if you can do that, for the first 4weeks of running Test, can you just lower the test down to 200mg's while running tren for the last 8weeks?

Interesting stuff, looking forward to your write up later. Ive never really considered it because of cardio reasons, but if it doesnt matter up to 300mg's I would highly consider it.

**Atomini** · 07-31-2012, 12:55 PM

You can do tren for the whole 12 weeks. My point was that I don't advise running ANYTHING for more than 8 weeks, really. Whether its tren or test or anything else. 12 weeks is a 3 month cycle. It's just too hard on the body, and HPTA shutdown for that length of time is pushing it in my opinion.

**Judah** · 07-31-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

You can do tren for the whole 12 weeks. My point was that I don't advise running ANYTHING for more than 8 weeks, really. Whether its tren or test or anything else. 12 weeks is a 3 month cycle. It's just too hard on the body, and HPTA shutdown for that length of time is pushing it in my opinion.

Im leaning towards this school of thought more and more. I have a good buddy who has done about 8 cycles now in his life. More and more he says that the gains he makes after week 8 to 10 are so nominal its not worth staying on for 12 to 14. Im still trying to get my mind wrapped around becasue we have all been told over and over 12 to 14 weeks. I was going to do 16 weeks of Sust. Researched more, dropped it 14 weeks. researched more lol, dropped to 10-12 weeks max. Now...Im thinking 10 weeks max.

Would you consider primo an exception? Everyone says not to run less than 18 weeks an no less than 800mg a week.

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 02:08 PM

I leaning towards this way now also. Faster esters 8-10wks, then I can get right back on much faster.

**Judah** · 07-31-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

I leaning towards this way now also. Faster esters 8-10wks, then I can get right back on much faster.

Right. Its about what you keep. And we all know the longer the cycle, the tougher recovery is, and the tougher/longer the recovery is the more of your hard earned gains are lost.

Short cycle, 110% dedication to training and diet, short recovery, maximize gains, etc...you have to REALLY be on point if your only on for 8 weeks. It goes by fast!

**t-dogg** · 07-31-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Judah

Right. Its about what you keep. And we all know the longer the cycle, the tougher recovery is, and the tougher/longer the recovery is the more of your hard earned gains are lost.

Short cycle, 110% dedication to training and diet, short recovery, maximize gains, etc...you have to REALLY be on point if your only on for 8 weeks. It goes by fast!

I agree 100%.