Experts of Gyno, is this it!!

[AXx]

Ok here we go. I have always been a fat boy per se, but just recently I have noticed a round area behind my nipple.

The picture I'm going to post was taken today, and I can def tell there is something going on. I did a cycle of test c 4-5 yrs ago I never ran a PCT or AI or anything for that matter.

It is not sore to the touch, but if my nipples aren't hard my nipples actually have a outward rounded effect. Please don't hate on me to much. If they are just fat bitch tits I'm cool with that, I can get them down more. If they are not fat bitch tits I would like to know a way to get them down or at least minimize it as much as possible. I know letro helps right after cycle but didn't know.


This pic is taken today



this pic was taken 2 months ago


I still see the same round gyno looking thing.

[gixxerboy1]

i would think from the pictures its fat. And you made good results in 2 months

[BlueWaffle21]

Damn, looks like a boob!! Hopefully some vets can help you out.

[Razor]

C_Bino is the expert read this asap and get on it, gyno is not something to mess around with
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UBnqKTGe6WU

[AXx]

i would think from the pictures its fat. And you made good results in 2 months

Thanks Gix, I still have a ways to go. I am determined.

[Jonnyg419]

Its hard to tell at that body fat, but it doesn't look like gyno to me...but my opinion is far from expert...You still did make some great improvement though.

[AXx]

C_Bino is the expert read this asap and get on it, gyno is not something to mess around with
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UBnqKTGe6WU

Thanks Razr, I have read it in the past and read it again today. So should I take Letro then?? I surely don't have 5-6k for surgery

[gixxerboy1]

is there a lump if you feel it? Jumping on letro if its not needed is just going to crush your estrogen levels and make you feel like shit for nothing.

[Razor]

Thanks Razr, I have read it in the past and read it again today. So should I take Letro then?? I surely don't have 5-6k for surgery

Its up to you man, it really depends on how bad it it. Mine was the size of a strawberry. I just started letro today. I wrote up another thread about gyno reversal using nolva, aromasin and prami. Mine had gotten really bad so I had to go to extreme measures.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UBnrijGe6WU

Go get labs done, get your estrogen checked as well as a full hormone panel
Your in the same boat as me, looks like you got it in just your right nipple correct?

[AXx]

is there a lump if you feel it? Jumping on letro if its not needed is just going to crush your estrogen levels and make you feel like shit for nothing.

Roger that bud. I would consider it more along the size of a Skoal can, but it's not rock hard. I hope it's just fat.

[AXx]

Its up to you man, it really depends on how bad it it. Mine was the size of a strawberry. I just started letro today. I wrote up another thread about gyno reversal using nolva, aromasin and prami. Mine had gotten really bad so I had to go to extreme measures.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UBnrijGe6WU

Go get labs done, get your estrogen checked as well as a full hormone panel
Your in the same boat as me, looks like you got it in just your right nipple correct?

Yes the right one.

[gixxerboy1]

you got a pm

[Razor]

go get labs done asap, here use this, order the lab online, you pick the nearest lab, they have results in 2-3 days
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tes...Estradiol#1001

[Razor]

Yes the right one.

How big is underneath the skin behind the nipple?

[warmouth]

If it is gyno, how long does it usually take for it to go away once letro is started?

[Razor]

If it is gyno, how long does it usually take for it to go away once letro is started?

It depends on how bad it is, how long you had it, what your lvls are, whats going on inside. Lots of variables.

[warmouth]

It could be swollen from the piercing or infected from it. It does look a bit more round and firm than the opposite. Succulent Id say..haha. Hope it gets worked out for you buddy. It doesnt look like it is too bad if it even is. Good luck!

[warmouth]

It depends on how bad it is, how long you had it, what your lvls are, whats going on inside. Lots of variables.

If it is caught very early, it is usually a few days, weeks or months? Only reason for me asking is incase I get it and have to either explain to the wife,or keep it hid.

[Razor]

Are you sure its not just fat or a swollen nipple, if there is no lump and your nipple is not sensitive, it might not be gyno at all

[Razor]

If it is caught very early, it is usually a few days, weeks or months? Only reason for me asking is incase I get it and have to either explain to the wife,or keep it hid.

Its really an individual basis, I got mine and was unprepared and didn't have anything on hand, so it took about a week to start treatment.

[AXx]

Nipple ring is out now, I lost a bet to my cousin and had to get both pierced. Guys it may be just fat I assume it is but I just wanted the opinions of someone who knows more about it than I do.

[Razor]

Nipple ring is out now, I lost a bet to my cousin and had to get both pierced. Guys it may be just fat I assume it is but I just wanted the opinions of someone who knows more about it than I do.

Do you have a hard lump behind your nipple that you dont have on your left one? Thats a big factor in determining if you have gyno or not.

[Schwarzenegger]

From the before picture it looks like fat but after looking at the second, since its more pronounced, it looks like gyno. It doesnt have to be sensitive at all. Feel it and if some parts are hard its def breast tissue. From the looks of it, its prolly gyno.

I had puberty induced gyno and had it for years. Nips would always look puffy through a shirt. Tried letro for it, letro didnt do jack. I think letro would be most beneficial for steroid induced gyno while freshly acquired. Eventually i got the surgery for it. Best thing i ever did.

Props on the results

[AXx]

From the before picture it looks like fat but after looking at the second, since its more pronounced, it looks like gyno. It doesnt have to be sensitive at all. Feel it and if some parts are hard its def breast tissue. From the looks of it, its prolly gyno.

I had puberty induced gyno and had it for years. Nips would always look puffy through a shirt. Tried letro for it, letro didnt do jack. I think letro would be most beneficial for steroid induced gyno while freshly acquired. Eventually i got the surgery for it. Best thing i ever did.

Props on the results

How did surgery cost you?

[kelkel]

Take a look at this:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

[Schwarzenegger]

Take a look at this:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

nice

How did surgery cost you?

4 grand,,, best 4 grand i ever spent

[SEOINAGE]

would like to see a side boob shot with arms at sides and out of way and all the tissue hanging rather than pulled up. It would cost you a couple hundred to make an appointment with a doctor and get it looked at, or if you have a physical coming up make sure to have him look at it after you get there. 1/4 of men have some form of gyno.

[BigBadWolf]

would like to see a side boob shot with arms at sides and out of way and all the tissue hanging rather than pulled up. It would cost you a couple hundred to make an appointment with a doctor and get it looked at, or if you have a physical coming up make sure to have him look at it after you get there. 1/4 of men have some form of gyno.

Perv!!!!

[SEOINAGE]

From the before picture it looks like fat but after looking at the second, since its more pronounced, it looks like gyno. It doesnt have to be sensitive at all. Feel it and if some parts are hard its def breast tissue. From the looks of it, its prolly gyno.

I had puberty induced gyno and had it for years. Nips would always look puffy through a shirt. Tried letro for it, letro didnt do jack. I think letro would be most beneficial for steroid induced gyno while freshly acquired. Eventually i got the surgery for it. Best thing i ever did.

Props on the results

After you have had gyno for a while surgery really is the only option. Also I think the OP's results are awesome. I would finish getting your body to the physical condition you want it before doing surgery, since he will make it look right compared to the rest of your body, and changes in body weight might make it less appealing, but it really depends on which doc you get and what type of surgery he performs.

[gearbox]

Great advice..

However, another reason we recommend not to cycle with high bf %

[AXx]

Thanks guys for all the advice. Seoniage could you pm me your email and I will send you a side boob shot, lol. Thanks

[covs-owen]

.i was told by a guy on here that an AI is not 100% needed as many get away with out any at all.but my point is that about a year ago i did a course of Oxydrol 50mg and just stopped after they had gone as was new to all this and wanted to no more but then about 4months ago i noticed that my nipple was tender to touch and if pressed on feels a bit sore and have a slight little lump under both nipples just a bit worried that this might get worse on course and don't understand if it was due to the oxydrol why 7-8months later?????

[kelkel]

Guys, I posted this in the TRT forum the other day as some questions were coming up about it. This is directly from Dr. Crisler from just a couple days ago. If you're not familiar with him, he is one of the leading TRT docs in the country:



"As many know, I have been working for several years to develop the best techniques for treating unattractive and troubling gynocomastia (breast tissue development) in men. Due to the nature of my medical practice, many of my patients present suffering this embarrassing condition, which erupts from a wide variety of causes. We can find significant relief in new cases through pharmacologic (using medicines and/or supplements ) therapy—perhaps merely to halt further growth-- but if the condition has existed for any amount of time, often we must rely upon the surgical approach.

Additionally, many men suffer a combination of actual mammary (breast gland) tissue, along with fat deposition, adding to the unappealing appearance; this is known as lipomastia or pseudogynocomastia. As it turns out, it is precisely appreciation for the balance between the two different types of tissue which leaves previous gynocomastia removal techniques obsolete.

In working up the gynocomastia/lipomastia patient, the first step is to take a comprehensive Medical History; for many medical etiologies can produce male breast tissue enlargement. Thus the development of what--at first--seems like a purely aesthetic problem may actually signal a much more ominous, previously hidden, medical condition. And we must keep in mind a small percentage of all breast cancers actually occur in men.

We also draw a detailed battery of laboratory tests, to look for estrogen (yes, males have female sex hormones, too) excess, or just imbalances between the various forms of estrogen in our bodies (using state-of-the-art 24 hour urinary testing). Other hormones—by deficiency or excess-- can cause gynocomastia as well. And, of course, the condition is heavily associated with hypogonadism (“Low T”); the detriments to health and happiness it causes being what originally brought the patient to my front door.

We also explore the patient’s diet and supplement choices. Amazingly, numerous foods, alcohol and other drugs (prescription and recreational), highly recommended supplements, and even skin care products can result in breast tissue overgrowth in males of all ages. Again, the appearance of “man boobs” is just the tips (ahem) of the iceberg for other health risks, due to the continuous assault on the male body by various estrogen-like substances.

Now, let’s discuss the traditional surgical approach.

First, it requires general anesthesia, and all that entails. Additionally, it always leaves a more-or-less noticeable scar around the areola (nipple).

Mechanically, the strategy of lifting up the nipple, and digging down into the breast in order to scoop out excess tissue can leave much to be desired. Unless exactly the right amount of tissue is removed, the nipple may be left in an unbalanced position, or even collapse toward the chest wall. Any remaining mammary gland tissue is then left to proliferate once again—especially if the treating physician is not also well versed in Interventional Endocrinology. That is because the original cause of the gyno may still be in effect.

And there are men who, because of the shape of their particular gyno/lipomastia, simply cannot be helped by the traditional surgical technique. The shape of their particular tissue does not lend itself to a vertical approach. We frequently see them at my office.

Now come the liposuction-based techniques, based upon a horizontal approach.
When the tissue is addressed via the horizontal approach--through a small, easily concealed “nick” in the skin at the lateral pectoral line (up near the arm pit)—any and all unwanted tissues may be removed. The physician can thus easily access whatever is there; from the lateral pectoral line to the sternum, and clavicle (collar bone) down to the inferior pectoral line.

I originally began surgically removing gyno using the traditional BodySculpting technique, where tumescent anesthesia (the word “tumescent” means ”slightly swollen”) fluid is pumped in, both numbing and voluminizing the entire space. We found this technique works very well for lipomastia cases, but frequently leaves much to be desired for those lean individuals whose issue consists almost entirely of mammary tissue (especially bodybuilders). The voluminization with tumescent anesthesia so inflates the compartment, the actual glandular tissue becomes more difficult to palpate, and therefore successfully draw out through the inserted cannula. The bodybuilders like how “ripped” their chests become, but a small mound of gyno could still remain.

We had to figure out a way to first sufficiently numb the area, AND break up the tissue for extraction, but without adding so much volume from the tumescent anesthesia fluid the glandular tissue becomes obscured. If you cannot clearly feel it--you cannot remove it.

After much thought, following the experience of performing numerous gyno procedures, I began employing a combination of transdermal anesthesia along with many small localized injections of small volume, in a pattern dictated by the shape, and volume, of the particular individual’s gyno/lipomastia. This allows me to target the actual glandular tissue, from a horizontal approach, while working remotely from the lateral pectoral line (so the scar is hidden). Pre-procedure physical examination predicts the range of light vacuum pressures, and even customized fluid mixtures, we will use along the way. We often use as many as three different cannula (the metal tube inserted through the skin to suck out unwanted tissue) sizes as well.

Several patients have reported they experienced absolutely no pain whatsoever during the procedure. Sometimes the patient even falls asleep (no doubt aided by the oral medications we offer them beforehand). There’s an old saying in surgery: “a snoring patient is a happy patient.”

We would also note we can employ the new technique to target the actual glandular tissue, then introduce the tumescent anesthesia traditional to the BodySculpting technique for larger fatty deposits of significant lipomastia.
Recovery from the procedure is simple, and without complication. We insist the patient remain in town overnight—that’s just common sense-- but then is free to travel home the next day.

If the patient also needs prescription hormonal therapy, we can work that in, too. Of note, we are currently developing several Over-the-Counter (OTC) supplements which will help stop, even shrink gyno in those who are just now developing it; as well as for those who have already had the procedure, in order to rebalance their hormones.

My new technique is quick (we are in and out of the procedure room in about an hour), quite painless, a fraction of the cost of other procedures, and produces a very satisfying result.

Then it’s back outside, shirtless, once again!

Please call 517.485-4424 or email us at [email protected] to schedule a phone consultation with Dr. Crisler to discuss this revolutionary procedure."


(Hope it helps someone. Kel)

[AXx]

Kel, thanks bro. That's a good read. I sure wish there was a doc around here locally that could actually tell me what it is. I would be more than happy to know that it is just a fat titty. Seems to me the less I weigh the more prominent the round ball behind the tit is.

I kinda agree with Bluewaffle, looks like a boob. Thanks Bluewaffle for the pick me up, lol.

[kelkel]

I don't know where you're located but Crisler is in Michigan. May be worth contacting the office, sending a picture, etc. From what I understand he is very receptive to helping. He treats people for TRT, etc., from around the country. One in person visit then the rest can be virtual. Good luck man!

[AXx]

Thanks Kel, I'm in TN on AL/TN line.