how should i dose my Nolva to cure 1 month old mild gyno

**labado21** · 08-05-2012, 05:48 PM

so i had a small amount of gyno, puffy nips and a lumps, but it wasent sore or itchy so i let it slide, its been a month and i dont think its going anywhere, so how should i dose my nolva.

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 05:52 PM

I had no idea nolva can reverse gyno, but according to Lemonada8, 20mg ED for a few months or until gone. I'm still researching this, however.

**ppwc1985** · 08-05-2012, 05:54 PM

I read a good sticky here on gyno reverca

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

I read a good sticky here on gyno reverca

And?

**ppwc1985** · 08-05-2012, 05:55 PM

Reversal I forgot who wrote it but I would search it here. The guy who wrote it had ex with gyno

**noon** · 08-05-2012, 05:55 PM

Please keep me posted if u don't mind on any findings

**Lemonada8** · 08-05-2012, 05:55 PM

^ here ya go.

Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen : A double-blind crossover study
Lawrence N. Parker, a, b, c, David R. Graya, b, c, Michael K. Laia, b, c, Ellis R. Levina, b, c

Idiopathic gynecomastia treated with tamoxifen: a preliminary report.
Alagaratnam TT.

search with 'google scholar' with these terms "tamoxifen, gynecomastia" and ull get some good hits

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

Reversal I forgot who wrote it but I would search it here. The guy who wrote it had ex with gyno

If you're referring to the one with Letro, it's quite outdated.

**ppwc1985** · 08-05-2012, 05:58 PM

All you need to know about gyno by c bino, it is an educational thread here just search gyno and he has all the info in there you need bro

**ppwc1985** · 08-05-2012, 05:59 PM

Oh ok I didn't know that, so why is it still here, if it's outdated it should be deleted, I come here thinking what I read is up to date.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 06:03 PM

you need letro protocol
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg letro
Day 3: 1.0mg letro
Day 4: 1.5mg letro
Day 5: 2.0mg letro
Day 6: 2.5mg letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg letro
Day 2: 1.0mg letro
Day 3: 1.5mg letro
Day 4: 2.0mg letro
Day 5: 2.5mg letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg letro
Day 2: 1.0mg letro
Day 3: 1.5mg letro
Day 4: 2.0mg letro
Day 5: 2.5mg letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone :estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can***8217;t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

^ here ya go.

Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen : A double-blind crossover study
Lawrence N. Parker, a, b, c, David R. Graya, b, c, Michael K. Laia, b, c, Ellis R. Levina, b, c

Idiopathic gynecomastia treated with tamoxifen: a preliminary report.
Alagaratnam TT.

search with 'google scholar' with these terms "tamoxifen, gynecomastia" and ull get some good hits

Thank you. 70% success rate is good enough for me to recommend it. Thanks again.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 06:04 PM

just google letro gyno protocol

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

just google letro gyno protocol

That doesnt work. Letro is preventative, not reversing.

**labado21** · 08-05-2012, 06:07 PM

im not jumping on letro for some minor painless gyno. its mainy fat increase on my chest from the estro rebound from my insane cycle.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

That doesnt work. Letro is preventative, not reversing.

negative. i know 3 people that reversed gyno with letro

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

negative. i know 3 people that reversed gyno with letro

Cool. Prove it.

**labado21** · 08-05-2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

negative. i know 3 people that reversed gyno with letro

how long did they have gyno for, and how severe was it

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 07:14 PM

one was pure estrogen 2 were progesterone provoked by tren . they didn't do their homework before they cycled. all 3 had lumps. supposedly the letro liquified the lumps n all 3 used a taper up n taper down procedure. if you really want i can contact one of the tren dudes. but again this is merely a suggestion of what i have heard. everyone should do their homework and research n take everything with a grain of salt, cross reference everything n make your own conclusions.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 07:15 PM

research it on google n decide for yourself

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 07:17 PM

another quick google link http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=7737

**labado21** · 08-05-2012, 07:40 PM

random Q. can gyno lumps be present like an inch above the areola?

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 08:14 PM

sorry dude i would not not but google it n see what you come up with YOU NEED TO DO HOMEWORK

this is a thread i found in this own forum from a VERY reputable VET

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UB8nsGDlcXw

and he even mentions letro protocol here. cough cough Aust.

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

sorry dude i would not not but google it n see what you come up with YOU NEED TO DO HOMEWORK

this is a thread i found in this own forum from a VERY reputable VET

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UB8nsGDlcXw

and he even mentions letro protocol here. cough cough Aust.

The vet is very reputable, yes. But that thread is old and outdated. Stay current please.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 08:53 PM

are you saying times have changed? because last time i checked gyno was gyno, letro was letro n what worked then still works now. if it aint broken don't fix it.

**austinite** · 08-05-2012, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

are you saying times have changed? because last time i checked gyno was gyno, letro was letro n what worked then still works now. if it aint broken don't fix it.

Yes. Times have changed. There have been new studies since then.

Read Matt's post here and read what he quoted: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...34#post5793034

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-05-2012, 09:01 PM

so people who have reversed lumps were all liars?

**labado21** · 08-06-2012, 02:38 AM

ok i was thinking i would run it like this

80mg for 3 days
60mg for 4
40 for a week
20 for 10 days
10 until finishd

**>Good Luck<** · 08-06-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yes. Times have changed. There have been new studies since then.

Read Matt's post here and read what he quoted: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...34#post5793034

Hey aust, do you have any first hand experience with gyno, reversal, letro, etc? Or ate you reading one new study and assuming all that was studied before is now useless? There will always be new studies, new initiatives and the desire to improve this lifestyle and all it entails, but I don't always buy into people's "breakthroughs" because why would people have been settling for something that doesn't wrk for all this time now.

I have no exp. But I don't believe that times change that much that quickly. My 2 cents

**Lemonada8** · 08-06-2012, 04:08 PM

It depends on if you are on cycle or not. If you are not on a cycle, then you should use nolva because letro is so potent and can really fuk up hormone balance. If you are on a cycle, then letro is good to use, it is very potent and gets into adipose tissue very well. However i would try to use nolva before using letro.

I had pubertal gyno, that went away with nolva.

And to the OP for the dosing... Use 40mg Ed for the first week, then down to 20mg ED for 4+ weeks after that.