Round 2

**Unknownsyn** · 08-09-2012, 05:33 PM

First round

Duration: 10 weeks

Test E 500/Week
Tren E 400/Week

Ran the test for 4 weeks then started the tren with it for the next 6 weeks. Got amazing results from my first run. Only issues were joint pain, and 2 weeks after I completed the round I began to get back acne, and for the last 4 weeks I have still been getting it!

Next round

Duration: 10 weeks

Dbol 50mg daily split 4 weeks
Test E 600/week
Tren E 400/week

Debating on running HCG during the cycle or just post cycle before i star the clomid... I was also given the name of anastrozole 1 drop per day works well as PCT.

My question is... could I should I run deca to help with the joint pain? This is a shorter cycle then deca should normally be ran... so if I run deca how long should I run the other products? My understanding is deca has to be stopped 2 weeks prior to stopping your test.... and any help with the acne would also be appreciated :P

Thank you in advance.

**Unknownsyn** · 08-09-2012, 05:36 PM

Personal Info... 26 years old 6ft 3" beginning of first cycle was 15% BF at 224lbs, Ending of the cycle I was 258 at 12.6% BF, currently 6 weeks off cycle completely and am 233lbs at 10.2% BF.

**t-dogg** · 08-09-2012, 05:49 PM

You ran tren and dbol with your first cycle?

**stpete** · 08-09-2012, 05:51 PM

Welcome..You need to research a bit more on your compounds and definetely PCT and HCG use. Why would deca be the only compound to be ran longer. those are all long esters, and in my opinion, need to be ran for a minimum 12 weeks. Some people like to stop the tren 2 weeks before the test. Your first run you only ran the tren for 6 weeks.

I suggest just running a test cycle and brush up on the other compounds. And deca doesn't always work for joint pain. And running two 19-nors together isn't advised.

**Unknownsyn** · 08-09-2012, 06:26 PM

First cycle was Test E 500 Week for the first 4 weeks then started Tren E 400 Week for the next 6... with my test. Body reacted very well to just those two. Only ran a 10 week cycle, as was suggested to me... This cycle I am looking to add to that and add in some Dbol for the first 4 weeks for a kick. Have debated on running the deca only because of what I have read about the lubrication of joints, as I have gotten soar joints since the first cycle Shoulder/elbow. Also while reading I have heard many people are running deca for 14 weeks and test for 16 weeks. I could absolutely get more gear and lengthen my cycle, and is obviously why I am posting on the forums to ask more knowledgeable individuals then myself and the LOADS of different responses you can read about.

**Unknownsyn** · 08-09-2012, 06:28 PM

The HCG is a very argued subject over MANY forums, some are recommending to run it during the entire cycle at small dosages, while others use it to kick start their post cycles. Again is why I am asking

Rather ask and get answers then just assume and go for it on my own. Thanks for any and all info its appreciated!

**Lunk1** · 08-09-2012, 06:41 PM

Couple things....1)acne after cycle can be expected in some ppl...myself included. It can be lessened with proper pct and it will go away eventually as your normal test returns. 2) Tren E being a long compound is basicily a waste of time if you are only running it for 6 weeks. It takes 2-3 weeks to even "kick" in. My suggestion is 12 weeks tren and run the test out an extra 2 weeks as stpete suggested. 3) I again have to agree w/ stpete..do not run 2 19-nors together stick with the dbol , test and tren. 4) you may want to consider some diff. dose options as you really have no idea how you will react to tren sides since you really didnt give it long enough to work. Just my 2cents. I am also a believer in the higher tren lower test dosing school of thought.

**Unknownsyn** · 08-09-2012, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Couple things....1)acne after cycle can be expected in some ppl...myself included. It can be lessened with proper pct and it will go away eventually as your normal test returns. 2) Tren E being a long compound is basicily a waste of time if you are only running it for 6 weeks. It takes 2-3 weeks to even "kick" in. My suggestion is 12 weeks tren and run the test out an extra 2 weeks as stpete suggested. 3) I again have to agree w/ stpete..do not run 2 19-nors together stick with the dbol, test and tren. 4) you may want to consider some diff. dose options as you really have no idea how you will react to tren sides since you really didnt give it long enough to work. Just my 2cents. I am also a believer in the higher tren lower test dosing school of thought.

Thank you for the input, greatly appreciated... Would you start the Tren /Test at the same time on a 12 week cycle 14 for test... Ran 400mg/week of the tren without issues. Would have no issue running that over 12 weeks, doubt I would increase it until I obviously see the full affects of it. What should I run the Test E at for the 14 weeks? Thank you again for your knowledge!

**Lunk1** · 08-10-2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Unknownsyn

Thank you for the input, greatly appreciated... Would you start the Tren/Test at the same time on a 12 week cycle 14 for test... Ran 400mg/week of the tren without issues. Would have no issue running that over 12 weeks, doubt I would increase it until I obviously see the full affects of it. What should I run the Test E at for the 14 weeks? Thank you again for your knowledge!

Yes start them both at the same time and run the test out 2 weeks longer than the tren (14 weeks) and I would run the test at 200mg ew. Keep in mind that I agree with those that say to run tren higher than test. Some will say run them he same 400mg/400mg. Some will say run test higher. You should def. read the sticky on tren. great read!!!