300 vs 400?

[standardtampaguy]

Curious on gains/risks of running 300mg cypionate per week vs 400 per week?

[Times Roman]

300 is a fairly low dose for a cycle. typically i recommend about 500mg for 12 weeks. but others have gone 400 with good results.

[Capebuffalo]

Your 35 what are your other stats and training experience? Gain can be made at 350 and up? IMO. With a great diet and training.

[standardtampaguy]

35, 5' 7", 215, 26% bf, 15 years gymnastics experience, 8 years lifting experience. I gained a bunch of weight after an accident, and my metabolism came to a crawl after 27 years old. Blood came back...238 test, 84 usable. Im not new to cypionate ....and I will be doing 200mg, twice a week for TRT, but in the short term, I want to up a few notches.

[Capebuffalo]

35, 5' 7", 215, 26% bf, 15 years gymnastics experience, 8 years lifting experience. I gained a bunch of weight after an accident, and my metabolism came to a crawl after 27 years old. Blood came back...238 test, 84 usable. Im not new to cypionate....and I will be doing 200mg, twice a week for TRT, but in the short term, I want to up a few notches.

Two things 400mg of test cyp a week fort trt? Thats a lot. Your body fat is way to high. Don't know if I would add to that right now.

[kelkel]

No offense, but if this is doctor prescribed TRT your doc is clueless. Could it be a typo on the amounts? If not, fill us in more please. Otherwise I agree with Cape. Hit the nutrition section and the guru's there can really help with nailing down a good diet for you.

And welcome to the site btw.

kel

[Judah]

Two things 400mg of test cyp a week fort trt? Thats a lot. Your body fat is way to high. Don't know if I would add to that right now.

If your an ex athlete, your metabolism despite being slow now, will jump back in gear fast once you start training. You must get your BF% down under 15% before you run a cycle. negative sides are more common at higher BF%. Also you just won't see as much "visual" benefit at high BF%. All the muscle you build will be invisible to the eyes at a high BF%

[standardtampaguy]

Thanks Judah. yes, I am an ex athlete. Played soccer, football, gymnastics and I've lifted for many years.

Prescribed dosage is 200mg per week. My test has been dropping over the past 3 years....425, 400, 395, 300, and recently 238 (free test 84).

But...I've always wanted to run a cycle at higher amount....(not my first go round with cyp...used to do prohormones).

I didn't know about the nutrition section...I'll give it a shot...I used to be able to eat all I want....but not the case anymore.

Last but not least..."IF" I did do 400 per week....how long before I add any muscle gains (visible or invisible)?? Im lifting 4-5 times a week, and doing 40 miles a week in cycling (minimum 10 mile rides...sometimes 20).

[JohnnyVegas]

Last but not least..."IF" I did do 400 per week....how long before I add any muscle gains (visible or invisible)??

Cyp is going to take four weeks to kick in. Adding muscle will depend greatly on diet.

[RoadToHuge]

The muscle gain becoming visable has more to do with your diet than the test...

[Metalject]

Curious on gains/risks of running 300mg cypionate per week vs 400 per week?

With most steroids , not all, the higher the dose the greater the reward but the higher the dose the greater the risk. There is also always a point when this risk to reward ratio becomes skewed towards risk. This can vary to a point with each individual, but there are some solid guidelines out there.

In this case, 300-400mg/wk is well within the realm of safety for just about any man. 400mg/wk should provide you a little more in terms of benefits and really shouldn't increase the risk compared to 300mg/wk. However, the difference in these two doses will be fairly small. It's not going to make a massive difference going from 300-400mg...some but not a ton.

[Metalject]

If your an ex athlete, your metabolism despite being slow now, will jump back in gear fast once you start training. You must get your BF% down under 15% before you run a cycle. negative sides are more common at higher BF%. Also you just won't see as much "visual" benefit at high BF%. All the muscle you build will be invisible to the eyes at a high BF%

It would be far more beneficial for him to get his testosterone condition fixed rather than waiting. Low testosterone makes fat loss very difficult. Getting his testosterone levels back in line will help him lose the body fat, but more importantly it will protect his body's overall health.

[kelkel]

^^^This. First and formost his doc should be trying to figure out what the root cause of the low T is. Would like to see pre-TRT LH/FSH levels for this as well as thyroid panels. Op did your doc say you were primary / secondary? Keep in mind most docs do not know hormones and will prescribe T as an easy fix instead of locating and correcting the actual problem.

[Capebuffalo]

^^^This. First and formost his doc should be trying to figure out what the root cause of the low T is. Would like to see pre-TRT LH/FSH levels for this as well as thyroid panels. Op did your doc say you were primary / secondary? Keep in mind most docs do not know hormones and will prescribe T as an easy fix instead of locating and correcting the actual problem.

Look at his calf he knows what he is talking about.. Besides the calf he does know his stuff. If you can find out the info he is asking for could really help you out.pumpkin

[DigitalGorilla]

I skimmed thru this thread.....but I will agree with one thing --- at that BF % you will "See" less results. That doesnt mean they arent there tho. I can tell you what I did to measure ....I dont know if it works for everyone - but it worked for me. Take a string - tie it around your arm and pull that shit tight - so it squeezes thru the fat.. and make a muscle. Measure that string. And do that every week. My BF was over 30% when I did my first cycle (which i dont recomend - but for me it was just time) so If i flexed you couldnt see it thru the fat lol.... but over the 12 weeks you will see the muscle get bigger and over all arm get smaller (cut)

[ironbeck]

Not reading your data, I personaly wouldn't bother doing cyp unless I used 500mg ew, that's just my personal bench mark.

[standardtampaguy]

You guys are all awesome. Im working on cleaning up my diet....and I have seen an endocrinologist....I have more bloodwork than I know what to do with. But Im back to 5 times in gym, and 2-3 bicycle rides of 10 or more miles. #GoMexicanHobbit

If anyone else has any thoughts...Im all ears. I have no pride when it comes to listening to those who have the knowledge.

[mockery]

Ronnie has quoted a few times you don't need to be a set bf% to do a cycle, its rubbish. And the addition of test can help with the weight loss. but again it goes back to having your diet and resistance training in check.

if i drop $700+ on a 8 week cycle, i go out the same day and go to Costco and buy $700 worth of food at the same time just to be ready, i have to buy more food obviously over teh course of the cycle but at least i know i am off on a good foot. I make sure i run maintenance calories 14 days before a cycle to get my nature hormones in proper stasis then depending on on a surplus or deficient i go from there. I will generally diet for 2 months prior to going "on" so i know im disciplined and conditioned.

[mockery]

Our dear late friend chip at another board who just passed away said trt at 200+ dosages easily can put some people in the 1100- 1500 range of test. so you being on 400 a week u are on a cycle... and now you want to run a cycle? yet you are on a continuous blast already.

Id follow the advice of some old school board members here, stop everything run a full 4 week pct, maybe even extend to 6 week. wait a few weeks then get blood work, ask your GP who the leading endo is in your city and go see him. OLD endos don't believe in trt and some are clueless about it. Maybe alot of them are clueless. This is your health, and life not just your body and looking good, seek the medical advice from the best in the field closest to you.

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[DigitalGorilla]

Ronnie has quoted a few times you don't need to be a set bf% to do a cycle, its rubbish. And the addition of test can help with the weight loss. but again it goes back to having your diet and resistance training in check.

if i drop $700+ on a 8 week cycle, i go out the same day and go to Costco and buy $700 worth of food at the same time just to be ready, i have to buy more food obviously over teh course of the cycle but at least i know i am off on a good foot. I make sure i run maintenance calories 14 days before a cycle to get my nature hormones in proper stasis then depending on on a surplus or deficient i go from there. I will generally diet for 2 months prior to going "on" so i know im disciplined and conditioned.

I agree - you dont need to be a certain BF% --- I started high as hell!! -- 30%+ and now Im between 19 and 20% - after a TEST E cycle.

[Ashop]

300 is a fairly low dose for a cycle. typically i recommend about 500mg for 12 weeks. but others have gone 400 with good results.

I tend to agree,,I would go with 500mg wk myself,,,but defintely no lower than 400mg wk unless it was TRT.

[standardtampaguy]

Awesome guys. Many thanks and blessings.