Getting slight gyno on cycle. Studies say Letro but is Nolvadex worth a shot first?

[ANIMAL]

You're on cycle and you notice a slight lump behind your nipples and begin to have sensitivity as well.

What do you do? Most studies say to use Letro like in the below link to rid of your gyno:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UD7MndBWpHM

After researching some more, if gyno is just starting to occur, Nolvadex can be used to stop further estrogen from attaching itself to the receptors thus making your gyno worse... but will your body recover and fight the gyno if no more is able to get in there?

Nolvadex blocks receptors, so it prevents gyno from occurring. Receptors are like field goal posts. Estrogen gets in there which causes gyno. So is continuing estrogen fitting into the goal causing gyno or is the estrogen that got in there already causing it? Letro WILL kill the estrogen, nolva will block additional estrogen from getting in. Will my body be able to recover on its own if I just block any more estrogen from going in? Or do I need to attack and kill the estrogen?

Currently on an AI of Exemestane. Started at 12.5mg ED, gyno got worse so I upped it to 18mg and now 25mg ED. It's not getting worse, but it's also not going anywhere.

Need to start HCG as well, but won't start it with the gyno symptons because it will make it worse.

Anyone have experience with this? Please only answer if you know what you're talking about. Anyone can read something on the net and offer information.

[kelkel]

How can nolva make the gyno worse. Don't understand that. Did I read it right? Take a look at these articles. One on Nolva and gyno by Dr. Michael Scally who is an authority on the issue and another is a DHT topical product that one of the vets here recently used with nolva successsfully to defeat his gyno. He now swears by it:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

http://www.andractimgel.com/gynecomastia/

Not saying anythings wrong with the letro protocol but the possibility of crashing your E is high and that sucks as well.

The situation sucks. Good luck with it!

[jimmyinkedup]

IMO you need to get on nolva right away. It blocks the e receptor in breast tissue. continue with your exemestane use as well. dont buy into the bs one make the other less effective. Jump on nolva asap ..if yo dont have it ..arr can get it to you fast.

[Juced_porkchop]

grab an AI ASAP! possibly run 10-20mg nolva till it get to you and start it up ASAP (sun serm a few days into it i would rec, if you do end up using it)
Grab a letro from ar-r ASAP!

[ANIMAL]

I have Letro and stane on hand from AR-R and I have Tamox from DR.

I'd like to stay away from the letro if possible, so I will be starting the Tamox today. I've been told to do 40mg of Tamox until the symptoms subside and continue with the stane at 25mg both ED. Once symptons have subsided, drop the Tamox to 20mg for 1 week and then continue with 10mg until the first day of PCT. Wondering how long I should stay at 25mg ED with the stane for? Was thinking once I can drop the Tamox to 20mg I'd reduce the stane to 18mg and then 12.5mg ED until PCT along with the Tamox.

Does that make sense?

[MickeyKnox]

i tried to tell you this last night and was about to elaborate on it but you shot me down bro.

anyway, take a look at this thread. it's all here..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...h#.UD99zSK7otA

[Juced_porkchop]

How can nolva make the gyno worse. Don't understand that. Did I read it right? Take a look at these articles. One on Nolva and gyno by Dr. Michael Scally who is an authority on the issue and another is a DHT topical product that one of the vets here recently used with nolva successsfully to defeat his gyno. He now swears by it:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

http://www.andractimgel.com/gynecomastia/

Not saying anythings wrong with the letro protocol but the possibility of crashing your E is high and that sucks as well.

The situation sucks. Good luck with it!

nolva BLOCKS the issue it dosnt fix it.
how to treat gyno should be through an AI not lettign your estrogen stay high.
nolva is a bandaid. i would not coast the whole cycle with a bandaid and high estrogen. that also brings side effects. high BP, edema ect.
other then using nolva while starting the AI due to gyno.
I would opt for an AI. ONLY if for some reason you could not use it. then yes nolva would be better than nothing.
but then you could have to wait for things to level out after cycle (not gonna happen on without AI) and pct (anopther reason high estogen is bad, PCT is not as optimal with high levels of estrogen, even while waiting a week or 2 after last pin to start pct. estrogen seems to stay elivated longer) *from what I have seen, i could be wrong here, but its not the main point*

I beleve there is also NOTHING wrong with letro
the prob people have is not knowing how to use it. (or that its active for a while after each dose)
it has a long active life. 0.25-1.2mg 2-3X a week is ENOUGH. and 0.25mg ed-eod is already a higher end dosing in my op.
0.25mg eod is best for on cycle. I do it all the time at 0.6mg 2X a week. worked for me on many cycles.
when i see things like 1.2mg ed or 2.5mg eod i want to smack people...

I hate this hating on letro I always see.
Its great stuff.

[ANIMAL]

i tried to tell you this last night and was about to elaborate on it but you shot me down bro.

anyway, take a look at this thread. it's all here..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...h#.UD99zSK7otA

I stand corrected and made that clear especially after asking you to please elaborate. I'm always open to everything, I just posted a link of what I always went by in the past that worked for me. Sorry if it seemed I shut you down, not my intention. Everything has always said Tamox will prevent gyno, not reverse it.

I'm still unclear with this whole situation. I might be making this whole thing bigger then it is. My nipples aren't puffy or drooping (I have pictures posted in my "members cycle log"). Just have a lump and sensitivity. So it seems as though gyno is coming, just not full blown so it seems. Which is why I'd like to nip it in the bud asap.

[Juced_porkchop]

I have Letro and stane on hand from AR-R and I have Tamox from DR.

I'd like to stay away from the letro if possible, so I will be starting the Tamox today. I've been told to do 40mg of Tamox until the symptoms subside and continue with the stane at 25mg both ED. Once symptons have subsided, drop the Tamox to 20mg for 1 week and then continue with 10mg until the first day of PCT. Wondering how long I should stay at 25mg ED with the stane for? Was thinking once I can drop the Tamox to 20mg I'd reduce the stane to 18mg and then 12.5mg ED until PCT along with the Tamox.

Does that make sense?

thats alot of tamox for not even being pct.

how about you keep it simple:

start 10-20mg ed tamox till your 1-2 weeks into stane, then stop it till pct.
start stane asap 12.5mg ed, upto pct.

DONE! :-)

[ANIMAL]

nolva BLOCKS the issue it dosnt fix it.
how to treat gyno should be through an AI not lettign your estrogen stay high.
nolva is a bandaid. i would not coast the whole cycle with a bandaid and high estrogen. that also brings side effects. high BP, edema ect.
other then using nolva while starting the AI due to gyno.
I would opt for an AI. ONLY if for some reason you could not use it. then yes nolva would be better than nothing.
but then you could have to wait for things to level out after cycle (not gonna happen on without AI) and pct (anopther reason high estogen is bad, PCT is not as optimal with high levels of estrogen, even while waiting a week or 2 after last pin to start pct. estrogen seems to stay elivated longer) *from what I have seen, i could be wrong here, but its not the main point*

I beleve there is also NOTHING wrong with letro
the prob people have is not knowing how to use it. (or that its active for a while after each dose)
it has a long active life. 0.25-1.2mg 2-3X a week is ENOUGH. and 0.25mg ed-eod is already a higher end dosing in my op.
0.25mg eod is best for on cycle. I do it all the time at 0.6mg 2X a week. worked for me on many cycles.
when i see things like 1.2mg ed or 2.5mg eod i want to smack people...

I hate this hating on letro I always see.
Its great stuff.

So you're suggestion to jump on Letro ASAP 2-3x/week all the way to PCT? How would you start the dosing, 1.2mg 3x a week and see if symptoms subside? If they do, drop it the following week to .5mg 2x a week and then drop it to .25mg 2x/week all the way to PCT? Do you experience any side effects such as lethargy or loss of libido?

Also, I'm trying to run HCG as well. Is there a problem starting that?

[ANIMAL]

thats alot of tamox for not even being pct.

how about you keep it simple:

start 10-20mg ed tamox till your 1-2 weeks into stane, then stop it till pct.
start stane asap 12.5mg ed, upto pct.

DONE! :-)

I'm already on cycle, in week 5. I've been on Stane from week 3 at 12.5mg ED. I'm currently at 25mg of Stane for the past 5 days.

My cycle:

200mg Test Cyp 2x/week
Anavar 50mg ED

[Razor]

So you're suggestion to jump on Letro ASAP 2-3x/week all the way to PCT? How would you start the dosing, 1.2mg 3x a week and see if symptoms subside? If they do, drop it the following week to .5mg 2x a week and then drop it to .25mg 2x/week all the way to PCT? Do you experience any side effects such as lethargy or loss of libido?

Also, I'm trying to run HCG as well. Is there a problem starting that?

Get off hcg that can make your Gyno worse..get some nolvadex and dhtcream.
Get the nolvadex and start that at40mg Ed and then when the dht cram shows up use that right on the nipple. It will work. After you order the cream it takes a full two weeks to show up so you will need the nolvadex itmt to block the receptors

[ANIMAL]

What I decided to do given all the help, which I truly do appreciate from everyone!

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40mg of Tamox for at least 1-2 weeks to see if sides subside. Providing they do, I will lower dose to 20mg for a week. Should I come off the Tamox if side/symptoms subside and then jump back on during PCT? Or should I continue with 10mg ED throughout the entire cycle from this point forward with stane.

Going to do 25mg of Stane until sides subside. When they do I will lower to 12.5mg ED up until PCT.

I will give it 1-2 weeks, if that doesn't do it I will switch to letro as porkchop suggested.

[Razor]

Read this
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l#.UD-eU2ie6WU

[kelkel]

nolva BLOCKS the issue it dosnt fix it.
how to treat gyno should be through an AI not lettign your estrogen stay high.
nolva is a bandaid. i would not coast the whole cycle with a bandaid and high estrogen. that also brings side effects. high BP, edema ect.
other then using nolva while starting the AI due to gyno.
I would opt for an AI. ONLY if for some reason you could not use it. then yes nolva would be better than nothing.
but then you could have to wait for things to level out after cycle (not gonna happen on without AI) and pct (anopther reason high estogen is bad, PCT is not as optimal with high levels of estrogen, even while waiting a week or 2 after last pin to start pct. estrogen seems to stay elivated longer) *from what I have seen, i could be wrong here, but its not the main point*

I beleve there is also NOTHING wrong with letro
the prob people have is not knowing how to use it. (or that its active for a while after each dose)
it has a long active life. 0.25-1.2mg 2-3X a week is ENOUGH. and 0.25mg ed-eod is already a higher end dosing in my op.
0.25mg eod is best for on cycle. I do it all the time at 0.6mg 2X a week. worked for me on many cycles.
when i see things like 1.2mg ed or 2.5mg eod i want to smack people...

I hate this hating on letro I always see.
Its great stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the op asked for info on Nolva. I provided it from a leading expert (DR) in the field as well as another newer tactic that worked for a vet here. I think I know how nolva works as well as letro. I just provided a note of caution regarding letro. He obviously can make his own assessment on how to continue.

[Razor]

If the gyno has progressed long and far enough I do not think nolva alone is good enough to get rid of it. Hes going to need the DHT cream or The letro..I prefer the DHT cream and Nolva Approach.

[ANIMAL]

If the gyno has progressed long and far enough I do not think nolva alone is good enough to get rid of it. Hes going to need the DHT cream or The letro..I prefer the DHT cream and Nolva Approach.

I have run my hand with a good deal of pressure down the top of my chest, over my nipple and not feel any sensitivity. It's only if i put my finger on the exact location of the small ball and press on it do I feel anything.

If and when I am good to go and come off nolva, continue with just the stane ED, I can then start using HCG correct?