first cycle! need help :)

[Sergino]

hi all!
i'm 20, workink out since when i was 16
i'm trying to do my first bulk cycle, i don't want nothing heavy
My idea is to start with Dbol +Deca
40mg dbol for 6week
150mg deca, once a week
Liv52 1tab for 6week
Letrozolo 2,5mg, 6week from 4 cycle's week
Nolvadex , 20mg, from last cycle's week for 4 week
is it ok? Does letrozolo "kills" Dbol or Deca effect?
is there another beginner cycle for max bulk, not heavy for my body?
many thanks all

[AXx]

Read this please

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...T-use-AAS-imho....

First cycle should consist of TEST only not a 19-nor and an oral.

[Matt]

I presume you are well aware of the risks of running aas at such an early age???

If this is your first cycle i would recommend you stick with a very simple test e/c only cycle. 400mgs of test e/c would more than add 15/25lbs to your current body weight as long as training and diet are on point. I would have stane or adex on hand for your ai and nolva plus clomid for your pct which would start 14/18 days after your last shot depending on what test you run...

[Sergino]

thank you very much sir
the guide helps me!

[fit2bOld]

At 20 you have no business taking AAS regardless if your aware of the risks. You will permanently damage your HPTA system.

[stpete]

That's not a good cycle. Like mentioned, a test cycle is your best bet. Can't go wrong. And understand the risks involved.

[Sergino]

ye man, but if the cycle is not heavy, and pct very well, i think i can't "damage" hpta

[jasc]

ye man, but if the cycle is not heavy, and pct very well, i think i can't "damage" hpta

There is flaw in this train of thought brother. Damage can occur whenever your hpta is suppressed. Even a "light" cycle can do this.

If you do plan to cycle, follow matts plan. A test only cycle will be best for you. Deca is not for a first cycle n is in no way easy on your hpta. Also, Deca should never be run without Test as you will be deficient in testosterone n will likely suffer many of the side effects of low/no T.

[lovbyts]

ye man, but if the cycle is not heavy, and pct very well, i think i can't "damage" hpta

LOL tell that to all the guys here who said the same thing and then battled problems for years.

[Sergino]

thanks, i think i'll follow matt's plan
another question: when i finish cycle, how much can i keep results with good diet and training? and can i grow "naturally" after cycle?

[thedeerhunter]

First off, you're only 20 which is too young for any cycle. Second, oral only cycles are not a good idea, as stated above, and third, have you ever heard of Decca dick? Wouldn't want that when you're 20

[jasc]

thanks, i think i'll follow matt's plan
another question: when i finish cycle, how much can i keep results with good diet and training? and can i grow "naturally" after cycle?

Your gains will be dependant on your training/diet and also dependant on your genetic potential and how far away from it you are.

If you are far from your genetic potential with a proper diet you may be able to walk away with/keep 10+ lbs, if you are nearing it this may be less.

If you do not exceed your genetic potential you can absolutlely grow naturally after cycle

[Sergino]

thank very much, seriously!!!

[jasc]

thank very much, seriously!!!

no problem bro

best of luck n let us know if ya need any more help

[Sergino]

no problem
next week if it's all ok i can start!

[Juiced1987]

This is what I did to bulk up. (because it has a lot to do with diet)
Gear:
500mg of test
Anavar tabs, 25mg/day if you get joint pains, take lots of omega 3s or Astaxanthin works even better.
anumed ehcg -
and cycle in hGH for the entire cycle.(if you can afford it)
Diet:
morning, 12 egg whites and 1 egg yolk (i do this because i don't eat well in the morning)
snack protein shake with oat meal or punut butter, 7-15 almonds
lunch, fish fish and more fish! don't like fish? chicken will do
Protein shake with carbs b4 workout maybe no2
after workout, another shake
Dinner, vegetables, meat, pasta.
Protein shake b4 bed, or another 12 egg whites and one yolk.
Vitamins:
Liver support, milk thistle dandelion extract
milti vitamin
omega 3s or astaxanthin,

The ehcg will help with your pct but you will need at least clomid

So there you have it, the beginners (low budget) cycle, Let me know what you think!

[Full_Auto]

This is what I did to bulk up. (because it has a lot to do with diet)
Gear:
500mg of test
Anavar tabs, 25mg/day if you get joint pains, take lots of omega 3s or Astaxanthin works even better.
anumed ehcg -
and cycle in hGH for the entire cycle.(if you can afford it)
Diet:
morning, 12 egg whites and 1 egg yolk (i do this because i don't eat well in the morning)
snack protein shake with oat meal or punut butter, 7-15 almonds
lunch, fish fish and more fish! don't like fish? chicken will do
Protein shake with carbs b4 workout maybe no2
after workout, another shake
Dinner, vegetables, meat, pasta.
Protein shake b4 bed, or another 12 egg whites and one yolk.
Vitamins:
Liver support, milk thistle dandelion extract
milti vitamin
omega 3s or astaxanthin,

The ehcg will help with your pct but you will need at least clomid

So there you have it, the beginners (low budget) cycle, Let me know what you think!

**500mg test E per week (250x2) for 12 weeks

**Anavar 25/mg day weeks 7-12 only


to the OP, stay away from Deca for now. most will tell you Test cycle only for first cycle with give good results. diet and training are more important than the juice, remember.

[gixxerboy1]

**500mg test E per week (250x2) for 12 weeks

**Anavar 25/mg day weeks 7-12 only

to the OP, stay away from Deca for now. most will tell you Test cycle only for first cycle with give good results. diet and training are more important than the juice, remember.

Fyi the cycle you quoted. The guy doesn't know alot about cycling. The gh he is taking about isnt gh. He has done this before with fake hcg . Not that his whole post is wrong but i wouldn't follow his dosage or drug recommendations on anything

[Sergino]

I've decided.
what about 4 week testo propionate 200mg week + oral turinabol 30mg day? 2week 100mg proviron + last 2 week 50mg

[Full_Auto]

Fyi the cycle you quoted. The guy doesn't know alot about cycling. The gh he is taking about isnt gh. He has done this before with fake hcg. Not that his whole post is wrong but i wouldn't follow his dosage or drug recommendations on anything

something seemed off with that post, which is why i just wanted to carify the Test & anavar dosages he indicated, for the OP.