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    Test, Dbol and Winny Cycle advice

    Hey guys,
    I have done a lot of research, but wanted to come and ask a couple quick questions. I have am currently 28, 6’, 200lb and around 16% bf. I just got off a cycle of winny with test 250-E, and got great results. I am taking off for approximately 3-4 weeks until I start a new cycle. My plan for my next cycle is dbol , test 250-e then finish with winny. I have noticed some people say to take Test400 or 500. I have two bottles of 250, can / should I take 2cc with the dbol / Winny? Please give me you experience with dbol and a cycle like mine. Thank you ahead of time!
    Test 250e 1cc 1-11weeks
    Dbol 40mg 1-4weeks
    Winnie 100mg 5-11weeks
    Clomid 100mg 12-13week
    Clomid 50mg 14-15 weeks

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    You should take proper time off between cycles, How long was your previous cycle and how long have you been off? Include your previous PCT as well.

    This PCT is inadequate as you need Nolva to go w/the Clomid. And should start 15 days after last injection if using test e. Did you run an AI or HCG on your last cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    You should take proper time off between cycles, How long was your previous cycle and how long have you been off? Include your previous PCT as well.

    This PCT is inadequate as you need Nolva to go w/the Clomid. And should start 15 days after last injection if using test e. Did you run an AI or HCG on your last cycle?
    My last injection was over two weeks ago,
    No I didn't run HCG or any AI
    I am finishing up my Clomid this week.
    Also, I know you can stack Clen with Winnie, but would it be a good stack in my cycle?

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    I was on a 6week winny cycle

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    test 250e 1cc 1-11weeks (Can I shoot 2cc?)
    dbol 40mg 1-4weeks
    Winnie 100mg 5-11weeks
    clen 5-11 weeks
    clomid 100mg 12-13week
    clomid 50mg 14-15 weeks
    Nolvadex 20mg 12-16weeks

    Taking the following supplements
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    Last edited by BigJohn84; 09-27-2012 at 07:52 PM.

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    You need to take alot longer time off. Time on plus pct = time off follow this rule and you should be fine, other than that your asking for problems.

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    craziness, you're just on one big 'stay on' doing that. you need longer off

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    craziness, you're just on one big 'stay on' doing that. you need longer off
    I have been off for 2 weeks now, I am taking off another four weeks. It was a 6week cycle of winny. I understand time on = time off. Is my cycle ok? Can I push 2cc of Test250 or should I break it up and do 250 on Sat and then 250 on Wed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    You need to take alot longer time off. Time on plus pct = time off follow this rule and you should be fine, other than that your asking for problems.
    Marcus,
    I don't like asking for problems when it comes to my body. Please elaborate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohn84 View Post
    Marcus,
    I don't like asking for problems when it comes to my body. Please elaborate!
    A safe time to wait between cycles is TIME SPENT ON CYCLE+TIME ON PCT = TIME OFF BETWEEN CYCLES.

    So if you run a 12 week cycle and a 4 week PCT, you should wait 16 weeks after your last PCT day before you cycle again. It's good for your body

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    A safe time to wait between cycles is TIME SPENT ON CYCLE+TIME ON PCT = TIME OFF BETWEEN CYCLES.

    So if you run a 12 week cycle and a 4 week PCT, you should wait 16 weeks after your last PCT day before you cycle again. It's good for your body
    Thanks for the reply! I will wait a total of 8 weeks before starting. Does my cycle look ok though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohn84 View Post
    Thanks for the reply! I will wait a total of 8 weeks before starting. Does my cycle look ok though?
    I don't personally like this cycle at all.

    Prefer not to run 2 orals back to back for 11 weeks.

    Clen for for 6 weeks straight wont do much for you unless you break it up ad take time off of it and get back on.

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    Austinite,
    Ok ok, Dbol 1-4, Test-250E (3.5 days) 1-12, Nova and Clomid 13-16

    Next question, one of my biggest fears is gyno. I didn't have any problems on Winny/test cycle. Should I go ahead and take aromasin or arimidex x3/week while on test? I want to do this cycle right, if it takes alittle more money, but I get a good cycle off it I'm game.

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    Austinite,
    Ok ok, Dbol 1-4, Test-250E (3.5 days) 1-12, Nova and Clomid 13-16

    Next question, I am worried about Gyno, one of my biggest fears. I didn't have any problems on Winny/test cycle. Should I go ahead and take aromasin or arimidex x3/week while on test?
    (Sorry don't know why it posted twice.)
    Last edited by BigJohn84; 09-28-2012 at 08:02 AM.

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    You need to adjust the pct start time, you dont start pct the week after a test e cycle. Its 14 days after your last shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    You need to adjust the pct start time, you dont start pct the week after a test e cycle. Its 14 days after your last shot
    Ok last question, about Gyno Should I go ahead and take aromasin or arimidex x3/week while on test? If so .25 or .5?

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    a-dex 0.25 EOD will be fine or aromasin 10/15mgs daily

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    Let me know how this works >
    test 250e 1cc 1-10weeks (every 3.5 days)
    dbol 30mg 1-4weeks
    Arimidex .25 1-10weeks
    clomid 100mg 12-13week
    clomid 50mg 14-15 weeks
    Nolvadex 20mg 12-16weeks

    Taking the following supplements
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohn84
    Austinite,
    Ok ok, Dbol 1-4, Test-250E (3.5 days) 1-12, Nova and Clomid 13-16

    Next question, I am worried about Gyno, one of my biggest fears. I didn't have any problems on Winny/test cycle. Should I go ahead and take aromasin or arimidex x3/week while on test?
    (Sorry don't know why it posted twice.)
    Just use Alex as stated at .25 eod. Keep extra nolva on hand to handle gyno should it surface.

    PCT starts 2 weeks after last injection.
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    Great, Thank you so much for your help. I know alot of people don't tell you how much you're appreciated! So this is my cycle DBOL 30mg 1-4, Test-250E (3.5 days) 1-10 aromasin 10mg 1-10, Nolva and Clomid 12-15

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