Advice on course

**krugerr** · 10-04-2012, 07:30 AM

Hey there, reading about the prolactin on a different thread got me to thinking. My brother is currently on a Tren /NPP course. He was advised by our friend that no Prolacting Antagonist would be needed. He currently runs 20mg Tamoxifen ED. Opinions? I did question it when he started, but we were reassured otherwise.

Tren @ 50mg EOD
NPP @ 150 twice/week

Tamoxifen @ 20mg daily.

His previous courses he has suffered from slight leaking on the nipples. But he never took any AI with those. He had bloodwork done before this course and all was within limits.

-Krugerr

**Lunk1** · 10-04-2012, 07:45 AM

Is there no Test in his cycle????? NOT GOOD!!!!

**krugerr** · 10-04-2012, 07:50 AM

This is the course, fully.

It was recommended to him by an IFBB friend of ours.

**gearbox** · 10-04-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Hey there, reading about the prolactin on a different thread got me to thinking. My brother is currently on a Tren /NPP course. He was advised by our friend that no Prolacting Antagonist would be needed. He currently runs 20mg Tamoxifen ED. Opinions? I did question it when he started, but we were reassured otherwise.

Tren @ 50mg EOD
NPP @ 150 twice/week

Tamoxifen @ 20mg daily.

His previous courses he has suffered from slight leaking on the nipples. But he never took any AI with those. He had bloodwork done before this course and all was within limits.

-Krugerr

Your brother was advised completely wrong, and should do some research himself before running a 19nor. He will have estro and proges sides. To what degree is unknown.

You need test as a base. Throwing in compounds kills natty test and u are hurting your gains sex drive to name a few.

No talk of ai or pct

**gearbox** · 10-04-2012, 07:54 AM

Since he is running a serm it will help estro and proges but its a serm and estro will still be circulating in your body just not binding
Run an ai and save nolva for pct

**Lunk1** · 10-04-2012, 07:54 AM

This is meant WITH all the disrespect I can muster! Your IFBB buddy is a jackAAS!

To suggest taking these 2 compounds together without TEST is retarded!

The compounds will shut down his natty test prodution leaving him without the chemical men need to be men.

Thsi is a good way to end up with serious damage to his sexual function and mental health!

**MickeyKnox** · 10-04-2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Hey there, reading about the prolactin on a different thread got me to thinking. My brother is currently on a Tren /NPP course. He was advised by our friend that no Prolacting Antagonist would be needed. He currently runs 20mg Tamoxifen ED. Opinions? I did question it when he started, but we were reassured otherwise.

Tren @ 50mg EOD
NPP @ 150 twice/week

Tamoxifen @ 20mg daily.

His previous courses he has suffered from slight leaking on the nipples. But he never took any AI with those. He had bloodwork done before this course and all was within limits.

-Krugerr

your IFBB friend is a moron.

agree with above advice. don't be foolish. test as a base is MANDATORY, particularly when running a 19nor. smarten up and listen to this sound advice.

**krugerr** · 10-04-2012, 08:39 AM

Thank you guys. I ran this past him several times and he assured us that he was currently running this course with Winnie tabs.

I shall confront him later. My brother is currently on week 4. Can anyone suggest a way to correct this course? Should we get him some test and front load it??

**gearbox** · 10-04-2012, 12:40 PM

I would chose prop (fast acting) dose from 350-500 a week. And run through cycle.
Get an ai and dose accordingly so no gyno. Which ai depends the dosage

**stpete** · 10-04-2012, 01:30 PM

Prop/150mgs EOD. He also needs HCG . And he's not running the NPP correct. That needs to be ran ED or EOD as well.

**krugerr** · 10-05-2012, 12:13 AM

Thank you for the response guys!

Muchly appreciated.

Krugerr

**krugerr** · 10-17-2012, 12:09 PM

Just an update. He's on the Test now.

Is it a good idea to run the test past the end of the Tren /npp? Or stop all together on week 10?

Any recommendations for a good PCT. Money isn't an object, so please, go all put on the PCT. hopefully this will stop my little brother from juicing a few more years!

Krugerr

**stpete** · 10-17-2012, 01:42 PM

I like to run it a week longer.

Clomid and Nolva for PCT will be fine.

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-17-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Hey there, reading about the prolactin on a different thread got me to thinking. My brother is currently on a Tren /NPP course. He was advised by our friend that no Prolacting Antagonist would be needed. He currently runs 20mg Tamoxifen ED. Opinions? I did question it when he started, but we were reassured otherwise.

Tren @ 50mg EOD
NPP @ 150 twice/week

Tamoxifen @ 20mg daily.

His previous courses he has suffered from slight leaking on the nipples. But he never took any AI with those. He had bloodwork done before this course and all was within limits.

-Krugerr

WOW what a mess

tell you brother to stop what he is doing and learn and research aas.
and using Tamox on cycle will make it even worse!

Jesus

sorry i dont know what to say other then stop all drugs and start researching as if NO ONE told you to do anything any special way (because to get to this point they dont got a clue)
and i hope he and do do better.

sorry to hear bro.

and yes i mean what he is doing is a bad cycle asking for side effects and issues.

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-17-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Just an update. He's on the Test now.

Is it a good idea to run the test past the end of the Tren /npp? Or stop all together on week 10?

Any recommendations for a good PCT. Money isn't an object, so please, go all put on the PCT. hopefully this will stop my little brother from juicing a few more years!

Krugerr

run the test a couple week longer and for PCT:
week1-4 PCT
Clomid as follows wk1 70mg/wk2 70mg/ wk3 35mg/ wk4 35mg ED
Tamox as follows 40/40/20/20mg ed

Im happy you updated us. I am glad to hear when people ask AND listin.
Im happy he seems to be doing ok.

**krugerr** · 10-17-2012, 03:29 PM

Thanks StPete, I'll tell him to run it a week past and then PCT.

Yea Juced, it's a pretty ****ed up course. I was annoyed at the guy for suggesting it, and even when questioned, sticking too it. He's got the test, he's feeling ok and has been getting some good strength gains regardless. He deadlifted 220kg for two last week, as the last lift of the day, before that was 5@200kg and 2 sets of 5@180kg.

I've made him download this app and read. But you know how it is, you can lead a horse to water...

Krugerr