Trensomnia - sleep aids

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-06-2012, 12:39 PM

So I started my first tren cycle, I can fall asleep easy but wake up about 3 hrs later and have a generally restless sleep the rest of the night. Might be the tren, might be the prami. Either way I'm looking for something to help me sleep that I won't devalope a dependentcy on. Any suggestions? Tried a Ativan (had a script for from a while ago), it worked great but i read a dependency can devalope so I thought I should try some other options.

**JWP806** · 10-06-2012, 12:41 PM

I always use melatonin. It puts me right to sleep and although I wake up 2 or 3 more times per night, I'm able to fall back asleep easily.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2012, 01:48 PM

30 ml of diphenhydramine might do the trick. It's sold under the commercial name of ZZZQuill but is also one of the active ingredients in benadryl. Others may recommend tylenol PM, zalepon (Sonata), zolpidem (Ambien), and eszopiclone (Lunesta), but I find these leave me feeling sluggish the next day.

**600@50** · 10-06-2012, 03:40 PM

25 mg diphenhydramine (generic Benadryl) works good. If I really need to sleep I take 50 mg. Even then it can be restless tossing sleep. I tried DSIP a while back and it was hit or miss. Sometimes awesome sleep sometimes just tossing and turning. So I'm back to the generic benadryl.

**ppwc1985** · 10-06-2012, 03:50 PM

Just putting this out there, I am on clen and started using the keto. Keto puts me to sleep nice. If you can get script, trazodone is great puts you in that 3rd stage of sleep and no sluggishness next day.

**Bouch** · 10-06-2012, 03:53 PM

melatonin works good for me. I feel safe using it. here is a quote from insomnia on wikipedia.

"The hormone melatonin, sold as a "dietary supplement" in some countries or as a slow-release prescription drug (Circadin) in Europe, is effective in several types of insomnia. Melatonin has demonstrated effectiveness equivalent to the prescription sleeping tablet zopiclone in inducing sleep and regulating the sleep/waking cycle.[74] One particular benefit of melatonin is that it can treat insomnia without altering the sleep pattern, which is altered by many prescription sleeping tablets. Another benefit is it does not impair performance related skills."

hope you get some good sleep.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2012, 03:59 PM

A lot of good recommendations and I'm sure others will follow. In cases like this, I always recommend trying the "milder" agents first before dosing the harder substances. If you get the sleep you need with milder agents, why jump right to the harder (more dependency causing) compounds. I know some guys favor strong agents but I'd save those as a last resort. Trazodone works well for many, but some have unpleasant side efects such as: constipation/diarrhea, myalgia, arthralgia, syncope, flu like symptoms, dizziness, somnolence (drowsiness), blurred vision, headaches.

IMO some people turn to the harsher compounds too quickly before giving the gentler compounds a chance. I know how important sleep is, but try the milder OTC stuff before choosing others.

**Lunk1** · 10-06-2012, 04:59 PM

a 5th of Jack???? Lights out!

**SportbikerKid** · 10-06-2012, 05:04 PM

I believe caber can help with trensomnia.

You might want to look into that.

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 10-06-2012, 05:04 PM

How much Prami are you taking a night? When I take my dose it puts me right to sleep....curious how much you're taking.

**Sworder** · 10-06-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

I believe caber can help with trensomnia.

You might want to look into that.

Cabergoline can cause insomnia..

On topic: Melatonin and diphenhydramine does the trick for me.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-06-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnnyBlazzze

How much Prami are you taking a night? When I take my dose it puts me right to sleep....curious how much you're taking.

0.2 mg this week, going to step up to 0.5 my gradually. It knocks me out but after 3 hours I'm awake. I read this is common.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-06-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

a 5th of Jack???? Lights out!

Hm, seems counter productive. Plus my liver is already battling tbol so one poison at a time for me.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-06-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder

Cabergoline can cause insomnia..

On topic: Melatonin and diphenhydramine does the trick for me.

I have melatonin, I'll start with that and if no luck (not overly impressed with it in the past) ill try diphenhydramine.

**austinite** · 10-06-2012, 06:02 PM

Melatonin works just fine for me.

**Capebuffalo** · 10-06-2012, 06:03 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of tren .

Enjoy the ride.

**Times Roman** · 10-06-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by JWP806

I always use melatonin. It puts me right to sleep and although I wake up 2 or 3 more times per night, I'm able to fall back asleep easily.

this. you can put a few on your nightstand by your bed. when you wake up in 3 or 4 hours, you can always take one or two more if you need to.

walmart sells a sleep aid. it works great, but i wake up hard so i try to avoid.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-06-2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

30 ml of diphenhydramine might do the trick. It's sold under the commercial name of ZZZQuill but is also one of the active ingredients in benadryl. Others may recommend tylenol PM, zalepon (Sonata), zolpidem (Ambien), and eszopiclone (Lunesta), but I find these leave me feeling sluggish the next day.

This is the namebrand for the sleep-aid of diphenhydramine:

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-06-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

This is the namebrand for the sleep-aid of diphenhydramine:

Would this be OTC?

**Capebuffalo** · 10-06-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Would this be OTC?

Has opposite effect on me. Will take and fall asleep. Wake up restless go back to sleep wake up jittery back to sleep
Over and over. Not a good feel

**Ashop** · 10-06-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

So I started my first tren cycle, I can fall asleep easy but wake up about 3 hrs later and have a generally restless sleep the rest of the night. Might be the tren, might be the prami. Either way I'm looking for something to help me sleep that I won't devalope a dependentcy on. Any suggestions? Tried a Ativan (had a script for from a while ago), it worked great but i read a dependency can devalope so I thought I should try some other options.

Try some Melatonin 3mg before bed and/or some ZMA.

**gearbox** · 10-06-2012, 08:31 PM

I take 2 3mg pills about an hour before bed

**1gearhead** · 10-06-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Welcome to the wonderful world of tren .

Enjoy the ride.

cape... theres nothing else like it.... feeling like superman and not getting or for that matter needing as much sleep gives me more time to work out and clean up / organize my life and schedules.... win win...

**dec11** · 10-07-2012, 01:15 AM

50mgs diphenhydramine, commonly sold as Nytol in the UK. i get the same drug in bulk from the US, it gets me to sleep fine. Kirkland make it. they also do Doxylamine
Succinate which KEEPS you asleep.

tried that melatonin crap, it does zilch.

tren sleep probs usually clear up within a few weeks

**dec11** · 10-07-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

I have melatonin, I'll start with that and if no luck (not overly impressed with it in the past) ill try diphenhydramine.

ah, you've tried it, does nothing at all for me either, im a live wire though, i need the pharm shit

im wondering if all the guys who are saying works, arent just in a good regular sleep pattern anyhow, and dont even need it?

**dec11** · 10-07-2012, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by 600@50

25 mg diphenhydramine (generic Benadryl) works good. If I really need to sleep I take 50 mg. Even then it can be restless tossing sleep. I tried DSIP a while back and it was hit or miss. Sometimes awesome sleep sometimes just tossing and turning. So I'm back to the generic benadryl.

take Doxylamine Succinate with it, it'll keep you asleep, not too much though, or its tough getting up in the morn.

hasnt the Benadryl in the US got stims in it also, for cold/flu relief? if so its a bit of an oxymoron, one ingredient to make you sleep and another to keep you awake?!

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-07-2012, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Would this be OTC?

Fvck yeah, it's OTC. Simply Sleep is the name brand though and is like twice the cost of the generics that are at EVERY SINGLE MAJOR GROCERY STORE/DRUG STORE. Try to get the geltabs if they got them though. I think they work better.

**B1gDaddy** · 10-07-2012, 05:26 AM

I used bedtime benedryl to help me sleep and of course MARIJUANA always does the trick.

**lovbyts** · 10-07-2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

a 5th of Jack???? Lights out!

You forgot the most important part since it's a 2 part cure. The blowjob before bed and for people like sholva who might be lurking that is receiving a BJ not giving one.

**venomx** · 10-07-2012, 06:34 AM

Probably the prami, if it's anything like bromocriptine it will make it hard to fall asleep

**600@50** · 10-07-2012, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

take Doxylamine Succinate with it, it'll keep you asleep, not too much though, or its tough getting up in the morn.

hasnt the Benadryl in the US got stims in it also, for cold/flu relief? if so its a bit of an oxymoron, one ingredient to make you sleep and another to keep you awake?!

Some of the Benadryl products do have other stuff in them. There's Benadryl for colds , flu, sinus but just regular Benadryl only has diphenhydramine HCL. Usually 25 mg per tab. I need to try the Doxylamine Succinate. I can go to sleep but have trouble staying asleep.

**fit2bOld** · 10-07-2012, 07:08 AM

I like the tylenol PM, 1 tab and your out in an hour

**600@50** · 10-07-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

I like the tylenol PM, 1 tab and your out in an hour

I try to avoid anything with acetaminophen in it. I figure why stress the liver more than I already do.

**Chuckdiesel** · 10-07-2012, 07:58 AM

Here is a question that was failed to be asked...how much tren are you dosing with? What is your frequency of administration and what type of tren is it? In my personal experience smaller daily doses of tren ace have not robbed me of any sleep at all. Maybe once a week I might wake up a little earlier but it's rare. I use 80mg daily. When I dosed with 150mg eod it had affected y sleep. I would toss and turn and get only about 3-4 hours a night, especially on the days I had injected

**Misery13** · 10-07-2012, 10:33 AM

Melatonin and Benadryl.

Gotta love the Tren .

**Misery13** · 10-07-2012, 10:38 AM

Double post. Sorry.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-07-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckdiesel

Here is a question that was failed to be asked...how much tren are you dosing with? What is your frequency of administration and what type of tren is it? In my personal experience smaller daily doses of tren ace have not robbed me of any sleep at all. Maybe once a week I might wake up a little earlier but it's rare. I use 80mg daily. When I dosed with 150mg eod it had affected y sleep. I would toss and turn and get only about 3-4 hours a night, especially on the days I had injected

100 mg eod

**MR-FQ320** · 10-07-2012, 11:09 AM

i use 5HTP, not sure if its going to be strong enough to battle tren though

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 10-07-2012, 11:11 AM

Tried melatonin last night, wasnt too impressed, still very restless and was pretty groggy when I first woke up.

**Chuckdiesel** · 10-07-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

100 mg eod

You should try switching to 50mg every day...that's if daily injections doesn't bother you. It helps keep the tren from doing a "rollercoaster" effect of rapid peaks and coming down then another rapid peak eod. I found keeping a much more stable blood level of tren helps keep nasty sides from being too strong. I have used tren in 4 cycles and the first I did eod at 100mg...sleep was pretty scattered and all over the place. Some nights would be OK and others would be terrible. The following cycles I switched to every day injections first running 50mg ed, then 60mg ed and now I'm running 80mg ed and I have no trouble with sleep at all...and Another one that helps with sleep, which I also use, is humanofort...it greatly helps with sleep and ghost production. I use hgh and have used growth hormone peptides for lengths of time and humanofort greatly increases sleep and gh. Hell both of my hands and arms are Tingly though the night...a good sign of gh production