Anavar Only, My Balls are Sore. Come Laugh at Me.

**aa12aa6** · 10-22-2012, 10:56 AM

I've started and anavar only cycle 40mg ED 10mg dose spaced out evenly though out the day.
I'm 22 years old, 5'7, weighed 165lbs before my cycle. One week into my cycle i now weigh 172lbs. Guess i wasn't near my natural limit yet....

I chose anavar because i wanted to "test the waters" when it came to AAS, I'm not scared of needles, just scared of side effects. When i started Var i knew it would eventually shut down my natural test, but i didnt realize it would be painful, and happen this early into my cycle. I realize many people are agianst oral only cycles, but so far i"m making amazing gains and dramatic weight gain.

My testicles are hurting. From the research I've done, I've learned that this is my natural test shutting down, along with testicular atrophy. Is this true? Some say anavar will barely/slowly shut u down, yet i've found other posts about people reporting testicular soreness early into their anavar only cycle. Should I ride it out? Get some HCG ? End my cycle?

Others have also told me that the only reason I'm gaining weight is because the anavar is in my system along with my natural test, and that once my natural test shuts down my gains will come to a screeching halt. Any advice on this?

For those that want to recommend adding testosterone , I'd like to say that I'm not ready for that serious of a cycle yet, (well then you shouldnt have started a cycle in the first place) My diet and workout is on point, but i dont want to have to worry about aromatizing steroids . Anavar seems like my best option for my goals.

Also, since anavar doesn't aromatize, will my body be void of estrogen once my natural test shuts down? I've been told that anavar is harmful because since it doesn't aromatize, while shutting down natural test, my body won't have any sources of estrogen. Any advice on this?

One last question, would dosing all my anavar in the morning, eleviate stress on my HPTA? i read this in another thread, but it sounds like bro science. SOmething to do with the half life of anavar only being 8 hours
Thanks for the help in advance, I know I should have done more research, but let's be honest, idiots never know they're idiots.

**gearbox** · 10-22-2012, 11:17 AM

Aromatize doesn't have any affect on being good or bad. Its actually better cause its easier to control estro.

No the taking the var in the morning will not change a thing.
Your shut down to a degree, so make sure you use a proper pct when you stop var.
Var is hard on the lipids.

**aa12aa6** · 10-22-2012, 12:56 PM

Should i look into HCG or is this pointless? By hard on the lipids you mean my cholesterol may go up?

**fatman225** · 10-22-2012, 01:04 PM

If you're stressin too much, AAS is not for you.

How long have you been on?

You're 22, so its not like your a teenager, you should be fine when you come off. Make sure to use clomid, as you likely have shut or slowed your HPTA. Contrary to the common phobia, you will not likely end up with perma shut down without pct, but it can take a lot longer for your natty levels to recover. It might take 6 months without PCT, and only 30 days with a good pct. You want to recover your test levels ASAP once the cycle is over.

Don't stay on the var too long also. Don't freak out if you revert back to your natural limit of muscle.

Oh, and don't get stressed out or think you ended your world.

Your balls being sore could be from anything. If you ate something that makes your stomach upset, it can "feel" like you got kicked in the rocks, but that could just be the nerves.

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 01:37 PM

Yousay you arent ready for a serious cyle yet.........hmmm. I would rather run a serious cycle than an improper one. Man, you got to research these hormones alot before you just go to doing this stuff! This is not a game or test to "see" if you like it. This stuff could affect the rest of your life. Be careful. And to gain over 10LBS in 1 week on a var only cycle? Are you sure you have anavar ?

**ScotchGuard02** · 10-22-2012, 02:49 PM

Regarding your last question, of course you'll shutdown no matter when you take anavar . If anavar is in your system, it's working. It alters your endocrine system and so you get results. I've read too many young guys eager for gains taking AAS only to lament their side effects after the fact. Just stop anavar right now before you really hurt yourself and do a full PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex . Train naturally for a few more years and then do a cycle after you've done your research about Testosterone .

**PillarofBalance** · 10-22-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Regarding your last question, of course you'll shutdown no matter when you take anavar. If anavar is in your system, it's working. It alters your endocrine system and so you get results. I've read too many young guys eager for gains taking AAS only to lament their side effects after the fact. Just stop anavar right now before you really hurt yourself and do a full PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex. Train naturally for a few more years and then do a cycle after you've done your research about Testosterone.

And learn how to eat more. AAS isn't going to do you any good OP if you aren't able to put weight on naturally.

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

I've started and anavar only cycle 40mg ED 10mg dose spaced out evenly though out the day.
I'm 22 years old, 5'7, weighed 165lbs before my cycle. One week into my cycle i now weigh 172lbs. Guess i wasn't near my natural limit yet....

I chose anavar because i wanted to "test the waters" when it came to AAS, I'm not scared of needles, just scared of side effects. When i started Var i knew it would eventually shut down my natural test, but i didnt realize it would be painful, and happen this early into my cycle. I realize many people are agianst oral only cycles, but so far i"m making amazing gains and dramatic weight gain.

My testicles are hurting. From the research I've done, I've learned that this is my natural test shutting down, along with testicular atrophy. Is this true? Some say anavar will barely/slowly shut u down, yet i've found other posts about people reporting testicular soreness early into their anavar only cycle. Should I ride it out? Get some HCG ? End my cycle?

Others have also told me that the only reason I'm gaining weight is because the anavar is in my system along with my natural test, and that once my natural test shuts down my gains will come to a screeching halt. Any advice on this?

For those that want to recommend adding testosterone , I'd like to say that I'm not ready for that serious of a cycle yet, (well then you shouldnt have started a cycle in the first place) My diet and workout is on point, but i dont want to have to worry about aromatizing steroids . Anavar seems like my best option for my goals.

Also, since anavar doesn't aromatize, will my body be void of estrogen once my natural test shuts down? I've been told that anavar is harmful because since it doesn't aromatize, while shutting down natural test, my body won't have any sources of estrogen. Any advice on this?

One last question, would dosing all my anavar in the morning, eleviate stress on my HPTA? i read this in another thread, but it sounds like bro science. SOmething to do with the half life of anavar only being 8 hours
Thanks for the help in advance, I know I should have done more research, but let's be honest, idiots never know they're idiots.

If you're not ready to add testosterone to a cycle, you aren't ready to cycle at all and need to read more about why testosterone in any cycle is important - especially earlier cycles. There is a very good reason why the experienced guys here will say a first cycle should be testosterone ONLY!

**t-dogg** · 10-22-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by muscleink

if you're not ready to add testosterone to a cycle, you aren't ready to cycle at all and need to read more about why testosterone in any cycle is important - especially earlier cycles. There is a very good reason why the experienced guys here will say a first cycle should be testosterone only!

this!

**aa12aa6** · 10-22-2012, 06:03 PM

I'm not super stressed, just making sure this is all normal. Also inorder to keep my calories high i have been taking svaunt shakes (oats, heavy cream, protein etc.) I've been eating a ton of dairy in general, is this going to be a problem on Var? I'm confident Pct will bring me back, so everything should be fine.

**600@50** · 10-22-2012, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

I've started and anavar only cycle 40mg ED 10mg dose spaced out evenly though out the day.
I'm 22 years old, 5'7, weighed 165lbs before my cycle. One week into my cycle i now weigh 172lbs. Guess i wasn't near my natural limit yet....

I chose anavar because i wanted to "test the waters" when it came to AAS, I'm not scared of needles, just scared of side effects You're experiencing sides now right?. When i started Var i knew it would eventually shut down my natural test, but i didnt realize it would be painful, and happen this early into my cycle. I realize many people are agianst oral only cycles, but so far i"m making amazing gains and dramatic weight gain. AAS works bro.

My testicles are hurting. From the research I've done, I've learned that this is my natural test shutting down Yes you're right, along with testicular atrophy. Is this true? Yes you'll atrophy some as your nuts shut down Some say anavar will barely/slowly shut u down, yet i've found other posts about people reporting testicular soreness early into their anavar only cycle. Should I ride it out? Get some HCG ? End my cycle? I would end it now, do a PCT and research on how to do a cycle

Others have also told me that the only reason I'm gaining weight is because the anavar is in my system along with my natural test, and that once my natural test shuts down my gains will come to a screeching halt. Any advice on this? Your gains will slow or stop and you'll loose most of them after you end the var because your natural test levels will be low. PCT will help

For those that want to recommend adding testosterone , I'd like to say that I'm not ready for that serious of a cycle yet, (well then you shouldnt have started a cycle in the first place) Looks like you had the answer before you started bro My diet and workout is on point, but i dont want to have to worry about aromatizing steroids . Anavar seems like my best option for my goals.

Also, since anavar doesn't aromatize, will my body be void of estrogen once my natural test shuts down? I've been told that anavar is harmful because since it doesn't aromatize, while shutting down natural test, my body won't have any sources of estrogen. Any advice on this?

One last question, would dosing all my anavar in the morning, eleviate stress on my HPTA? No i read this in another thread, but it sounds like bro science. SOmething to do with the half life of anavar only being 8 hours
Thanks for the help in advance, I know I should have done more research, Yes but you can stop now and research on how to cycle correctly but let's be honest, idiots never know they're idiots.

Listen to the guys here man. They want to help and are giving you some sound advice. My comments are in bold above. Best of luck.

**aa12aa6** · 10-22-2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

If you're not ready to add testosterone to a cycle, you aren't ready to cycle at all and need to read more about why testosterone in any cycle is important - especially earlier cycles. There is a very good reason why the experienced guys here will say a first cycle should be testosterone ONLY!

Can someone point me to some links? I've done a ton of research, but the thing is that their is so much misinformation floating around. Won't test shut down my hpta harder then var, raised estrogen, bloating, etc. Why can't I stick with the var?

**t-dogg** · 10-22-2012, 11:26 PM

reading our stickies is a great start to all of this. Look right above your thread.

**aa12aa6** · 10-22-2012, 11:45 PM

The main reason a testosterone only cycle is recommended for the first time users is because it is the building block of all future cycles - if it isn't - it should be! By using testosterone initially you will get an idea of how your body will react to it. You will need to know if you are prone to gyno , how much fluid you will retain and how much your blood pressure will raise with the use of anabolic steroids as part of your training and nutrition program. These are very important things to be aware of.

Think about it like this - you're doing a stack of testosterone enanthate and dianabol - you feel the signs and symptoms of gyno coming along. So you fix the problem by taking by taking 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid (which you intelligently kept on hand) daily until the problem subsides and a few days after just to be safe. So the next time you cycle - you use only testosterone enanthate to avoid the aromotization problems brought upon by the addition of the dianabol tabs the first time out. But guess what? It wasn't the test that was aromatizing after all - it was the dianabol. Now with testosterone only, you are still getting the signs and symptoms of gyno and must once again control the substance with use of an anti estrogen. Had you known you were gyno prone with the testosterone you could have better planned this second cycle and worked out a stack to your advantage and possibly even eliminated or greatly reduced the risks of re-ocurring gyno. If you start cycling with a stack, you won't have any way of knowing which steroids are causing which side effects.

Another reason why testosterone only is a good first cycle - it's your first cycle! Why go overkill? You'll grow like a weed off testosterone only with correct nutrition and training - hell, even without it! In a study done by Bhasin and co-workers1, men with no weight training whatsoever made increases in fat-free mass (4KG or 8.8 lbs), increases in triceps mass (400 mm or 1.6"), increases in quadriceps mass (600 mm or 2.4"), and added 10KG (22.2 lbs) on their bench press and 20KG (44.4 to their squat. It's TESTOSTERONE after all. You're injecting HORMONES into yourself. Don't let the quantity fool you - a mL of cyanide will kill you the same way as minimal amounts of steroids will make you grow. Your virgin androgen receptors will eat it up. Why use more when you'll get the same results off less? What's the point? It's just a big waste of time and money. The last thing you want to do is develop a tolerance so that you are required more quantity in the future.

Testosterone may be a strong androgen, but the side effects are very easily controlled for almost all of them with a few simple ancillaries.

With any steroids you take you are going to shut down your natural testosterone production and this can lead to short term impotence and testicular atrophy (short term if your post cycle therapy is sound!). Deca and Trenbolone are not the only ones that cause this (any drug can when not accompanied by testosterone). Deca and Trenbolone are just the most common and most complained about for this type of thing.

Ok so I found this... but I still feel like this doesn't bash my anavar only cycle. I get why test is a good foundation, but i feel like this is more of a rule of thumb.

**Sworder** · 10-23-2012, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

Ok so I found this... but I still feel like this doesn't bash my anavar only cycle. I get why test is a good foundation, but i feel like this is more of a rule of thumb.

YOU feel it is "a rule of thumb" after you have started your first Anavar only cycle. There are eight guys who have done a lot more cycles than that telling you different. When I put it that way, doesn't it make your statement seem... inexperienced?

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 08:21 AM

I realize this and i'm not saying you guys are wrong. I'm just saying i still dont understand why an anavar only cycle is worse than a testosterone only cycle. I'm getting results, not many sides, etc. please help me understNd better

**Brohim** · 10-23-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

I realize this and i'm not saying you guys are wrong. I'm just saying i still dont understand why an anavar only cycle is worse than a testosterone only cycle. I'm getting results, not many sides, etc. please help me understNd better

If it's a short var only cycle lets say 6 weeks you don't need test really. If it's longer than that you need test because of what test gives your body. It gives you energy, mental clarity, sex drive, etc. If you don't use test along side you will lose all those things because var is a DHT and does not replace testosterone in your body.

If you would have done more research before you did your cycle you would know this. You could have bought some slin pins and did the minimum amount of test (100mg per week) to keep everything going. If you want to do a var only cycle keep it to 6 week's.

**t-dogg** · 10-23-2012, 09:24 AM

Yes you will get results from anavar at "said dose" BUT if you ran anavar correctly with test the results would be much, much more.

**>Good Luck<** · 10-23-2012, 09:46 AM

Dude, if you're gaining a pound a day, I think u may be eating anaDROL and not anaVAR ... that's intense! Good luck with your balls lol

**gearbox** · 10-23-2012, 10:23 AM

I knew from the first post he is not running var. Sounds like dbol imo.
I dont know where someone said var is worse then test. They both shut you down. Test only cycles allow you to know how your body reacts to test cause it will be needed with every cycle to make the proper gains when cycling.
You do not know very much about aas so explaining in detail will not work.
How we know if someone is not ready to cycle is when they ask simple questions and want specific yes and no answers

**warmouth** · 10-23-2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Yousay you arent ready for a serious cyle yet.........hmmm. I would rather run a serious cycle than an improper one. Man, you got to research these hormones alot before you just go to doing this stuff! This is not a game or test to "see" if you like it. This stuff could affect the rest of your life. Be careful. And to gain over 10LBS in 1 week on a var only cycle? Are you sure you have anavar?

Iasked this because 10 pounds in a week is not possible due to var. I would think it is alot for dbol as well, but ran without test there could be some side effects we are not seeing or hearing about.

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

If it's a short var only cycle lets say 6 weeks you don't need test really. If it's longer than that you need test because of what test gives your body. It gives you energy, mental clarity, sex drive, etc. If you don't use test along side you will lose all those things because var is a DHT and does not replace testosterone in your body.

If you would have done more research before you did your cycle you would know this. You could have bought some slin pins and did the minimum amount of test (100mg per week) to keep everything going. If you want to do a var only cycle keep it to 6 week's.

This is my plan exactly, a 6 week cycle. Why is eveyone claiming i haven't done any research? I realize a var only cycle is somewhat unorthodox, but from what i've read a 6 week var cycle seems ideal for my goals.

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 12:45 PM

I'm definitely on Anavar , Geneza brand. This stuff is pretty strong i guess.

**songdog** · 10-23-2012, 01:33 PM

Yeah sure you are I was doing a pct with Geneza nova n clomid from someone else.I found out the nova was Dbol .I wouldnt touch Geneza again.

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yeah sure you are I was doing a pct with Geneza nova n clomid from someone else.I found out the nova was Dbol.I wouldnt touch Geneza again.

WTF! I didn't even know that was possible. my Clomid is from Iron Dragon, by my anavar looks exactly as it should look.

little orange triangle tabs. all the markings check out. Did the pills look like clomid, or did they look like dbol pills?

**600@50** · 10-23-2012, 01:57 PM

Also OP I hope you have tweaked your diet in order to take advantage of the AAS.
Everyone here really is trying to help. Can you do a var only cycle? Sure you can. You can do any cycle you want. The point is there could be a "better" way to do a cycle and I believe that's what everyone is trying to convey.

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 03:17 PM

Definitely, I want to say thanks to everyone in this thread for their help, it's greatly appreciated. You guys have to deal with alot of ignorant people, I just wanted to get the point across that i have done some research. Sorry if it sounded like I had an attitude.

As far as Diet goes, I've been doing somewhat of a dirty bulk, I'm trying to gain as much weight as possible. I am not predisposed to body fat and am very lean, it just seems incredibly hard for me to get an insanely high amount of calories eating "clean". I use dairy and simple sugars to get my calories high. I'm still eating complex carbs, lean meats, and veggies, but I definitely supplement calories dense foods to get an extra boost. Any advice on this?

**warmouth** · 10-23-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

This is my plan exactly, a 6 week cycle. Why is eveyone claiming i haven't done any research? I realize a var only cycle is somewhat unorthodox, but from what i've read a 6 week var cycle seems ideal for my goals.

From what youve read? You realize that you are getting first hand experience with the compound here dont you?

**warmouth** · 10-23-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

Definitely, I want to say thanks to everyone in this thread for their help, it's greatly appreciated. You guys have to deal with alot of ignorant people, I just wanted to get the point across that i have done some research. Sorry if it sounded like I had an attitude.

As far as Diet goes, I've been doing somewhat of a dirty bulk, I'm trying to gain as much weight as possible. I am not predisposed to body fat and am very lean, it just seems incredibly hard for me to get an insanely high amount of calories eating "clean". I use dairy and simple sugars to get my calories high. I'm still eating complex carbs, lean meats, and veggies, but I definitely supplement calories dense foods to get an extra boost. Any advice on this?

Yeah, dont try to use var to bulk. You will be wasting the compound as this is not something it is used for. Especially with a "dirty" bulk. Why would you do that? Var is about drying out, leaning out, and getting your muscles rock hard. No reason to waste it by bulking with junk food because it would be a waste. If you cant handle needles, you need to wait.

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Yeah, dont try to use var to bulk. You will be wasting the compound as this is not something it is used for. Especially with a "dirty" bulk. Why would you do that? Var is about drying out, leaning out, and getting your muscles rock hard. No reason to waste it by bulking with junk food because it would be a waste. If you cant handle needles, you need to wait.

I get what you're saying, but I'm seeing results. Also how would i go about planning a PCT for a 2 week Var cycle. Would running a full 6 week cycle, with a proper PCT be more efficient, then a half assed cycle, with a half assed pct? I wouldn't be heart broken if i quit now since i"m honestly amazed with my results. I also think this cycle isn't terrible, I'm not looking to gain 25 lbs. I mean, if I'm gaining like this on var, imagine if i was on test. I'm now thinking to push the cycle to 5 weeks. then hit the clomid.

**mwilkinson** · 10-23-2012, 05:25 PM

if you have no problems with the cycle, then why post the thread? if you've done all the research why ask more questions? you have more than 5 answers telling you to stop but you keep justifying your actions instead of taking the very advice you're asking for. not trying to flame, but what's the point of asking the question if you're not willing to accept the answer because it isn't what youw ant to hear. good luck bro, but if my balls hurt it'd be enough for me to stop... just sayin.

**t-dogg** · 10-23-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by aa12aa6

I get what you're saying, but I'm seeing results. Also how would i go about planning a PCT for a 2 week Var cycle. Would running a full 6 week cycle, with a proper PCT be more efficient, then a half assed cycle, with a half assed pct? I wouldn't be heart broken if i quit now since i"m honestly amazed with my results. I also think this cycle isn't terrible, I'm not looking to gain 25 lbs. I mean, if I'm gaining like this on var, imagine if i was on test. I'm now thinking to push the cycle to 5 weeks. then hit the clomid.

You have alot to learn. The most Ive ever seen someone gain was 20lbs on anavar and this was not a normal case. So imagining other compounds is pointless. I respond well to anavar but again some people respond better to gear then others.

**MuscleInk** · 10-23-2012, 06:17 PM

OP, I think the point being missed here that others are trying to get across is that Anavar alone is less than ideal. CAN you run it alone? Sure, you can do just about anything you want. Heck you can drink and drive if you want but it's a very bad choice with some possibly serious outcomes and would be a very poor choice - yet some people do this as well.

So you're seeing great results on Anavar alone. Wonderful.....but what about after? The question is, if its a poor choice as others are suggesting, perhaps it's because (1) gains may be temporary and/or (2) negative effects of not adding a test-base could range from minor-short term to serious-long term.

The choice is yours to make. Not ours. Just remember, the advice offered is coming from people that have cycled many times with numerous compounds, have seen the best and worst in anabolics and are offering recommendations based on those vast experiences. You may chose to follow whatever path YOU feel best. If things work out, great. If they don't, well, just be willing to accept the consequences of your decision (good or bad).

We won't tell you what you HAVE to do, only what we feel is best based on collective knowledge and years of experience couple with trial and error!

"A smart man learns from his mistakes. A smarter man learns from the mistakes of others.....and avoids repeating them!"

**aa12aa6** · 10-23-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

OP, I think the point being missed here that others are trying to get across is that Anavar alone is less than ideal. CAN you run it alone? Sure, you can do just about anything you want. Heck you can drink and drive if you want but it's a very bad choice with some possibly serious outcomes and would be a very poor choice - yet some people do this as well.

So you're seeing great results on Anavar alone. Wonderful.....but what about after? The question is, if its a poor choice as others are suggesting, perhaps it's because (1) gains may be temporary and/or (2) negative effects of not adding a test-base could range from minor-short term to serious-long term.

The choice is yours to make. Not ours. Just remember, the advice offered is coming from people that have cycled many times with numerous compounds, have seen the best and worst in anabolics and are offering recommendations based on those vast experiences. You may chose to follow whatever path YOU feel best. If things work out, great. If they don't, well, just be willing to accept the consequences of your decision (good or bad).

We won't tell you what you HAVE to do, only what we feel is best based on collective knowledge and years of experience couple with trial and error!

"A smart man learns from his mistakes. A smarter man learns from the mistakes of others.....and avoids repeating them!"

I don't understand how a 5 week Var only cycle is more harmful to my health, then a 10-12 week test only cycle. The main point i'm getting is that i'm taking a useless cycle, but so far my gains have been great. Isn't this a relatively safe cycle? and if the gains are coming in, why stop? For whatever reason i seem to be responding well to this anavar. That being considered, couldnt this cycle be worth my time? 5 week cycle, nice gains (12 pounds total maybe? who knows we'll see), and a proper PCT. I still don't get what's so terrible about this picture.

I appreciated everyone's patience, and I apologize if I'm slow to realize my mistakes.

**warmouth** · 10-23-2012, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

OP, I think the point being missed here that others are trying to get across is that Anavar alone is less than ideal. CAN you run it alone? Sure, you can do just about anything you want. Heck you can drink and drive if you want but it's a very bad choice with some possibly serious outcomes and would be a very poor choice - yet some people do this as well.

So you're seeing great results on Anavar alone. Wonderful.....but what about after? The question is, if its a poor choice as others are suggesting, perhaps it's because (1) gains may be temporary and/or (2) negative effects of not adding a test-base could range from minor-short term to serious-long term.

The choice is yours to make. Not ours. Just remember, the advice offered is coming from people that have cycled many times with numerous compounds, have seen the best and worst in anabolics and are offering recommendations based on those vast experiences. You may chose to follow whatever path YOU feel best. If things work out, great. If they don't, well, just be willing to accept the consequences of your decision (good or bad).

We won't tell you what you HAVE to do, only what we feel is best based on collective knowledge and years of experience couple with trial and error!

"A smart man learns from his mistakes. A smarter man learns from the mistakes of others.....and avoids repeating them!"

Great Post! +1

**rayman21** · 10-23-2012, 09:35 PM

run some test even if it is a small dose, if anything running test on its own is better than anavar on its own. dont think oh test will shut me down blabla because you will just end up doing something dumb to your body with anavar alone, listen to the more experienced people on here TAKE TEST