Winny + Test cycle Qs

**Yosh73** · 10-22-2012, 10:01 PM

Hey there.
I'm going to run a winstrol (oral) 50mg/day + test (not exactly sure which yet, leaning more toward test p just because it starts quicker than test-e, test-c)
Stats: 20 years old male, 6'2'', 185 lbs (give or take), mesomorph body type, bf 16%-18%, this will be my second cycle after a cycle of purely anavar (50mg/day at 8 weeks)

I have Arimidex for pct, as well as D-aspartic acid, trib, fenugreek, but wondering what else I should get.

I was wondering how much test to run, which form, and what diet I should be following, in order to gain decent size, but also lose lbs of fat off the ends of my pecs and stomach. I'll be doing cardio about 4-5 times a week, usually run jogs/sprints after workouts, and on off days run jogs outside, and stair running.

For diet I was thinking high fat breakfast, snack, high carb lunch (pregym), shake before gym, weight gainer after gym, dinner (lean protein, veges, and mild carbs, perhaps half a sweet potato).

Let me know what I'm missing bros, and help me out!

Peace out brothers!

**bodybuilder** · 10-22-2012, 10:20 PM

Ok bro you should not be running winny at your current bf%. The only thing you will get out of winny at your current bf is some strenght gains and joint pain. Winny should only be ran by those already in the single digits of bf%, this is when winny truly does its majic. If you do run it you will be disappointed and might even be back posting how winny is no good or your winny was bunk.

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 10:29 PM

I think your a bit too young to run a cycle to be honest. At your BF, drop the winny, as it is too toxic on your liver and you wont "see the effects" unless you are already at a low BF. Trust me, I use winny alot! Test P requires EOD pinning at least, with ED pinning being optimal. Test P is my personal favorite, but 7 shots a week is alot for a newby. If you are going to cycleno matter what, drop the winny(please) and use the test to cut with. Get into the nutrition section to dial in your diet for this purpose. This way you should easily be able to cut to 12% BF and be able to run the winny and see the results. Armidex is not used for PCT. It is used on cycle and start it at .25mgs EOD and adjust as needed. Nolvadex and Clomid should be your PCT and both can be gotten from AR, our sire sponsor. AI doesnt need to be ran on PCT. Read up on the stickys and other posts, then we can propose you a better plan of attack once you get a bit more educated. Just spend a couple of hours browsing and we can help you better. Good Luck!

**Yosh73** · 10-22-2012, 10:38 PM

Thanks warmouth, I appreciate your input!

So winstrol is almost useless at higher BF% eh? My goal by using it really is to drop to around 10-12% BF nothing more than that... Also, Yes I do realize that ED or EOD injections would be much for a noob but also I am under the understanding that test P would be the most effective test for someone who wants the effect right away without having to wait around for it to kick in.

**bodybuilder** · 10-22-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Yosh73

Thanks warmouth, I appreciate your input!

So winstrol is almost useless at higher BF% eh? My goal by using it really is to drop to around 10-12% BF nothing more than that... Also, Yes I do realize that ED or EOD injections would be much for a noob but also I am under the understanding that test P would be the most effective test for someone who wants the effect right away without having to wait around for it to kick in.

Yes bro winny is useless, a common mistake made is to believe a cut compound will drop your bf%. This is not what they do, diet and cardio is the only way to drop bf.

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Yosh73

Thanks warmouth, I appreciate your input!

So winstrol is almost useless at higher BF% eh? My goal by using it really is to drop to around 10-12% BF nothing more than that... Also, Yes I do realize that ED or EOD injections would be much for a noob but also I am under the understanding that test P would be the most effective test for someone who wants the effect right away without having to wait around for it to kick in.

Winny can help in assisting fat loss, but it is indirect. It will affect fat loss no more than the test. When you are at a lower BF, then use winny, it will dry you out and harden the muscles really well. That is where it shines for me. If I am at 12% or lower, it works instantly and like majic. If I am anything over 12, I can hardly tell anything at all, other than stregnth increase. Cut on test and I guarantee you will be better of for now and wont feel like you wasted the winstrol . Good Luck!

**Yosh73** · 10-22-2012, 11:02 PM

What If I ran clen with these? I know this is really liver toxic so its probably not the best thing to do. I'm currently running anavar at 50mg/day. into my 6th week now, my last 2 weeks I'm going to up it to 70mg/80mg
I haven't really noticed that much fat loss from the var, I believe it is from the lack of cardio after my workouts ( only do 15 mins of jogging/sprinting..)
My diet is pretty high fat, high protein, low carb, although it is not completely consistent (I know what macros to get in at what times, so I mix and match my food based on that. So if I'm going to have high fat breakfast, 8 eggs, or shake w/ 60g protein half avacado and glutamine etc.)

I was also thinking, perhaps when I'm done my cycle, start up clen + my D-aspartic acid, fenugreek, trib, and possibly erase (or even arim, I have a 30ml bottle).

Appreciate the helps guys, I really do.

**Yosh73** · 10-22-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder

Yes bro winny is useless, a common mistake made is to believe a cut compound will drop your bf%. This is not what they do, diet and cardio is the only way to drop bf.

What if I was doing lots of cardio, eating a clean diet (carbs only at lunch but lots[before gym] and dinner in moderation[after gym])?

**Yosh73** · 10-22-2012, 11:34 PM

bump

**Yosh73** · 10-23-2012, 10:20 PM

bump

**warmouth** · 10-23-2012, 10:39 PM

You lost me at you are already taking anavar . YOu really need to educate before you medicate, as the saying goes. It doesnt matter if your doing 15 minutes of cardio or not. Dont run var and winny at the same time regardless. Make sure you have properliver support for the var, or do yourself a favor, and drop it straight away. It seems like you are looking for shortcuts, which is not what you need to do. Think LONG TERM! What is your HPTA going to be like in 5 years? What about 5 months? How can I control my cholesterol? Why are my liver enzymes STILL elevated? Why is my BP andheart rate through the roof? Why am I so lethargic? Why does my dick not get erect? Why do I not want sex? These are just a few. Key in on your diet, then let the AAS fall into place.

**t-dogg** · 10-23-2012, 10:45 PM

Do you know the dangers of running cycles at your age? If so and dont care we can continue. If you do can we can help in other ways to get you sorted out.

**Sworder** · 10-23-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder

Yes bro winny is useless, a common mistake made is to believe a cut compound will drop your bf%. This is not what they do, diet and cardio is the only way to drop bf.

Originally Posted by bodybuilder

Ok bro you should not be running winny at your current bf%. The only thing you will get out of winny at your current bf is some strenght gains and joint pain. Winny should only be ran by those already in the single digits of bf%, this is when winny truly does its majic. If you do run it you will be disappointed and might even be back posting how winny is no good or your winny was bunk.

I strongly disagree and would like for you to provide any information you have available to back up your statements. Winstrol will activate the ARs no matter what BF you are at, it will always increase lipolysis regardless of your BF. The "aesthetic slimming" may not be seen that is the ONLY thing you won't get.