First AAS cutting Anavar/Winstrol 8 weeks advice

**Ariy** · 10-29-2012, 12:29 PM

After extensive researching on AAS I will soon start my first cycle
It's oral only because of legal issues can't get any Test e.

Stats; 6"1, 21yrs, 200lbs, 15.6% bf
Been lifting for almost 4 years, diet is spot on calories are tracked.
I wish to lose a considerably amount if body fat for boxing want to drop my weight down and body fat for a lower division

I have decided to run an 8 week cycle

Anavar 100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Diet
Low carb diet, Carb cycling.

Support supplements; CEL Cycle Assist, Fish oil, Flaxseed oil, Glucosamine, Milk Thistle, CoQ10.

This may sound extreme and I understand the toxicity of Winstrol
But I have about 4 months off and I wish to shredd up

Please let me know your opinion if I should reduce the length or dosage or if anything is missing

Just one question I couldn't find the Answer to is when should the LIV support supplements be taken? With the anavar and Winstrol or a few hours apart

Regards.

**Noles12** · 10-29-2012, 12:35 PM

Terrible cycle that will wreck your liver.

It is way too long, oral only, and not worth it IMO. You will notice little to nothing from Winny at your BF%.

ALl this will do is tear up your liver and shut you down hard

**ppwc1985** · 10-29-2012, 12:36 PM

Well I'm not one who has problems with oral cycle on since I will use var alone, but you better rethink doing 2 orals at the same time. Winnie and var at same time = big problems, I would recommend you stop and research more.

**Ariy** · 10-29-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Terrible cycle that will wreck your liver.

It is way too long, oral only, and not worth it IMO. You will notice little to nothing from Winny at your BF%.

ALl this will do is tear up your liver and shut you down hard

Hmm.. In that case I think I'll research more
Honestly thought this would be fine I've spoken to a few professional bodybuilders as well
They recommended this cycle as well

**senorrebo** · 10-29-2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ariy

Hmm.. In that case I think I'll research more
Honestly thought this would be fine I've spoken to a few professional bodybuilders as well
They recommended this cycle as well

Yeah, I've gotten some pretty bad advice from "professionals" too.

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 12:51 PM

How does every 19-22 y.o kid that comes on here end up knowing or working out with so many pro BB's? Hell...I have never even met one lol.

And how can getting test E be a legal issue but Var and Winnie are not???

**ppwc1985** · 10-29-2012, 12:51 PM

^^^^ what he said

**fit2bOld** · 10-29-2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

How does every 19-22 y.o kid that comes on here end up knowing or working out with so many pro BB's? Hell...I have never even met one lol.

And how can getting test E be a legal issue but Var and Winnie are not???

Really X2

**ppwc1985** · 10-29-2012, 12:54 PM

Lunk my source is a pro but he would never recommend running var and winny together. Very bad on the liver.

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

Lunk my source is a pro but he would never recommend running var and winny together. Very bad on the liver.

I'm not saying that there are not ppl here that run in certain circles and work out in well known gyms but holy shyt...I would have never imagined that there were so many pro's just hanging out, training and handing out crappy advise to teenagers and very young adults. (Sarcasm)

**austinite** · 10-29-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm not saying that there are not ppl here that run in certain circles and work out in well known gyms but holy shyt...I would have never imagined that there were so many pro's just hanging out, training and handing out crappy advice to teenagers and very young adults. (Sarcasm)

fixed

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

fixed

My spell check says that word is just like Austinite...it can go either way!

**austinite** · 10-29-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

My spell check says that word is just like Austinite...it can go either way!

lol. I adviSe you to get a new spell checker. That is my adviCe to you!

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:15 PM

I keep PMing you all of my posts to review but, word on the street is that you never answer!

**austinite** · 10-29-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I keep PMing you all of my posts to review but, word on the street is that you never answer!

I thought I unblocked you. Let me check......

oops, sorry OP, carry on...

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

lol. I adviSe you to get a new spell checker. That is my adviCe to you!

I just punch the first one that comes to the top...right now your at the top

**austinite** · 10-29-2012, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I just punch the first one that comes to the top...right now you're at the top

cool.

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

cool.

**christian123** · 10-29-2012, 01:28 PM

lol after extensive research you come up with this?
Sad..

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by christian123

lol after extensive research you come up with this?
Sad..

You refering to his cycle or our thread jack lol???

**Ariy** · 10-29-2012, 01:48 PM

Yeah I researched well on both orals and prepared my support and PCT accordingly in order to get the results I wanted in my time frame
But so much negative responses shows how much of an idiot I am lol.
I ran this with my friend his been a bodybuilder for 9yrs and my source
He doesn't deal with injectables anymore idk why.

Only orals, anyway
Can someone please point me in a direction of what to look into for a first cutting cycle (Oral only)
I wish to lose 20-22lbs and drop 2-4% body fat. Hopefully within 3months so I can drop down a class in boxing.

please advise for a first AAS cycle for cutting an ill research it into

Many thanks.

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ariy

Yeah I researched well on both orals and prepared my support and PCT accordingly in order to get the results I wanted in my time frame
But so much negative responses shows how much of an idiot I am lol.
I ran this with my friend his been a bodybuilder for 9yrs and my source
He doesn't deal with injectables anymore idk why.

Only orals, anyway
Can someone please point me in a direction of what to look into for a first cutting cycle (Oral only)
I wish to lose 20-22lbs and drop 2-4% body fat. Hopefully within 3months so I can drop down a class in boxing.

please advise for a first AAS cycle for cutting an ill research it into

Many thanks.

Is your goal to lose 20-22 lbs and 2-4% in 3 months OR is your goal to use AAS???

Truth please!!!!!!!!!!!

**Ariy** · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

Both lol.

I want to get into the scene though.

Any advice for a cutting cycle?

I can't trust bodybuilders

There is 3 good friends of mine who are bodybuilders this is what I was advised for cutting

1. Anavar 100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

2. Anavar 50/50/50/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol. 50/50/50/50/50/50
Clenbuterol 0/0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/20

3. Anavar 50/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol. 0/0/40/40/40/40/40/40

I'm going to be hearing a shit LOAD of LOLS now
So please critique
In all seriousness Somone point me in the right direction please :/

**songdog** · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

Really Bro your st stop should be in the diet section.AAs isnt a diet aid but will help you not lose muscle during a diet.Now being this is your 1st cycle and you want to cut.I would use prop 500mg a week.I believe that is wat you are looking for?

**MuscleInk** · 10-29-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

How does every 19-22 y.o kid that comes on here end up knowing or working out with so many pro BB's? Hell...I have never even met one lol.

And how can getting test E be a legal issue but Var and Winnie are not???

My thoughts precisely.....and if these so called pros are advising them, why come here and ask?

Happy to help these guys....if they are willing to listen.

Milk Thistle for liver health? Ok, good luck. The stuff is nothing more than an antioxidant that won't do a damn thing for liver health. Fish oil? For what purpose? Glucosamine - who's idea. Minimal effects at best for joint health to combat dryness caused by winnie.

I see nothing discussed to manage the acid reflux, gastric motility effects, or impaired stomach flora, that will occur from orals as well.

**Ariy** · 10-29-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

My thoughts precisely.....and if these so called pros are advising them, why come here and ask?

Happy to help these guys....if they are willing to listen.

Milk Thistle for liver health? Ok, good luck. The stuff is nothing more than an antioxidant that won't do a damn thing for liver health. Fish oil? For what purpose? Glucosamine - who's idea. Minimal effects at best for joint health to combat dryness caused by winnie.

I see nothing discussed to manage the acid reflux, gastric motility effects, or impaired stomach flora, that will occur from orals as well.

I'm here as this sounds very heavy for a first that's why and I'm not entirely Sure about this cycle
And your right I didn't think about those side effects you mentioned
I clearly have a lot more research to do
Which is why I'm asking for advice and if someone can point me in the direction to what I should look into
And support supplements
I'm having a hard time finding the major side effects and how to dose and stack.

Please advise

**Lunk1** · 10-29-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ariy

Both lol.

I want to get into the scene though.

Any advice for a cutting cycle?

I can't trust bodybuilders

There is 3 good friends of mine who are bodybuilders this is what I was advised for cutting

1. Anavar 100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

2. Anavar 50/50/50/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol. 50/50/50/50/50/50
Clenbuterol 0/0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/20

3. Anavar 50/100/100/100/100/100
Winstrol. 0/0/40/40/40/40/40/40

I'm going to be hearing a shit LOAD of LOLS now
So please critique
In all seriousness Somone point me in the right direction please :/

The thing is..your goal is pretty attainable natty! AAS really shouldnt be something to consider until you can't make the gains natty anymore and are doing everything else right.

Even if your goal is to say look guys I'm using steroids then at least do it right. Injectable testosterone should be the base for every cycle. With out it the orals you are talking about will supress or shut down your natty test production and hinder you from having the stuff that makes me...men.

if your not prepared to committ to proper use than no use is better!

**MuscleInk** · 10-29-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ariy

I'm here as this sounds very heavy for a first that's why and I'm not entirely Sure about this cycle
And your right I didn't think about those side effects you mentioned
I clearly have a lot more research to do
Which is why I'm asking for advice and if someone can point me in the direction to what I should look into
And support supplements
I'm having a hard time finding the major side effects and how to dose and stack.

Please advise

Ariy,

You are doing great just being here and asking brother. You aren't an idiot man, just new and lacking knowledge but you are in OUR house now and we'll take good care of you!

Songdog is making a critical point. DIET alone will drive gains or losses more than gear. In tandem to any cycle, you really need a solid nutrition plan to achieve any result and maintain it.

As for a cycle, a first cycle should ALWAYS be a single testosterone ester such as test-c or test-e for about 12 weeks, followed by a PCT no later than 14 days after your last dose.

A single injectable test ester will allow you to gain mass, see how you react to the compound, minimize side effects, and you won't need to worry about liver strain. With a proper nutrition plan as advocated by Songdog, you can keep the gains lean. Clen isn't the best idea as it has some unpleasant side effects and can cause some long term cardiac (heart) problems. There are safer ways to keep gains lean and give you that shredded look you are after!