After YEARS on here still need some help here!!

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 08:46 AM

My brain is so overloaded its confused.. I am getting 2 different routes to my first cycle. One from a DR and one from a "pro".. but when I am doing research I come up with conflicting answers so i came here to you guys again for the right way to do this.

"Pro" suggests:

Weeks 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

Anavar , 50mg tab - daily 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1

Prop200, 10ml x2 weekly 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1

Masteron100, 10ml x2weekly 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1

no AI during cycle, HCG as PCT

Dr is saying

1 Test Cyp 200mg/Prop 50 10ml
30 0.5 Anastrozole thoughout
10000iu HCG throughout

I am trying to get the schedule he has done for me. I had my BW done and my estro levels are a little high, test levels are a little above 600 everything else is good he also told me when I want to come off he will take me off with the proper pct.

Thanks guys appreciate any help you can give me as I waited this long I want to make sure im doing this right.

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 08:47 AM

not sure why its messing up the weeks with the gear...sorry about that

**MickeyKnox** · 10-30-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

My brain is so overloaded its confused.. I am getting 2 different routes to my first cycle. One from a DR and one from a "pro".. but when I am doing research I come up with conflicting answers so i came here to you guys again for the right way to do this.

"Pro" suggests:

Weeks 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

Anavar , 50mg tab - daily 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1

Prop200, 10ml x2 weekly 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1

Masteron100, 10ml x2weekly 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1

no AI during cycle, HCG as PCT

Dr is saying

1 Test Cyp 200mg/Prop 50 10ml
30 0.5 Anastrozole thoughout
10000iu HCG throughout

I am trying to get the schedule he has done for me. I had my BW done and my estro levels are a little high, test levels are a little above 600 everything else is good he also told me when I want to come off he will take me off with the proper pct.

Thanks guys appreciate any help you can give me as I waited this long I want to make sure im doing this right.

This is a mess.

What are your intended goals? I could easily rewrite this for you but its important to know what your expectations are at the end of this cycle. You mat not need any mast. Or you may be better off with a short ester as opposed to a long one..or vise versa.

Welcome back, btw

**fit2bOld** · 10-30-2012, 09:23 AM

That's a total mess bro....

How old are you?

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 10:22 AM

I don't want to be "huge" just want to gain some solid muscle without any bloating, doing the shortest duration. I am 32

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 10:23 AM

Waiting on the dr to give me the suggestion on the cycle will post as soon as I hear back. Thanks again guys!

**songdog** · 10-30-2012, 10:29 AM

I agree Bro this is a mess.Scrap it then read beginner cycles then read the Young and steroids .Just seems like you have a lot to learn.Do this before you start your cycle.Beacuse you can really mess yourself up.And sometimes its for life.Educate before you medicate.

**MickeyKnox** · 10-30-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

Waiting on the dr to give me the suggestion on the cycle will post as soon as I hear back. Thanks again guys!

Fair enough. We'll be here bro. Good luck.

**Buster Brown** · 10-30-2012, 10:35 AM

If this is your first cycle then why not stick with a Tes only cycle to see how your body reacts. From there you will build a solid base as to how your body has responded to give you some concrete data about yourself. Something like Tes E for 10 @ 250 mgs twice a week with an AI (l-dex @ .25 mgs Eod) is a pretty standard first cycle and there is a reason for it, because you can learn from it better than adding two or three compounds into the mix.

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

I agree Bro this is a mess.Scrap it then read beginner cycles then read the Young and steroids.Just seems like you have a lot to learn.Do this before you start your cycle.Beacuse you can really mess yourself up.And sometimes its for life.Educate before you medicate.

I already read my man. Been on here since 03. Beginner cycles (to me anyway) are a base for the next. I'm not interested in becoming a bodybuilder, I would probably do 2 cycles at most. Just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing on my first time around injecting. Thanks man

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

If this is your first cycle then why not stick with a Tes only cycle to see how your body reacts. From there you will build a solid base as to how your body has responded to give you some concrete data about yourself. Something like Tes E for 10 @ 250 mgs twice a week with an AI (l-dex @ .25 mgs Eod) is a pretty standard first cycle and there is a reason for it, because you can learn from it better than adding two or three compounds into the mix.

I just don't want the bloat man... Lets see what my dr suggests... Thanks!

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

I agree Bro this is a mess.Scrap it then read beginner cycles then read the Young and steroids.Just seems like you have a lot to learn.Do this before you start your cycle.Beacuse you can really mess yourself up.And sometimes its for life.Educate before you medicate.

What do you suggest brotha?

**fit2bOld** · 10-30-2012, 11:24 AM

I don't understand how you can be on here since 03 and have such little understanding of AAS.

A beginner cycle is Test only with proper AI and PCT, it is all very basic.

You really need to understand what your putting in your body and most important is diet and exercise.

Without all the ingredients in place any cycle will fail to give the results your looking for.

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 11:41 AM

I'm asking for opinions on what I got suggested. I will go with what I feel In the end but like anyone else I like to have other people's experience help my decision. Everyone is against an anavar only cycle, I did it and had excellent results and loved it. So yes I could go with a " beginners cycle" but I read up a lot on prop and personally thought it would be better. Plus I suggested var because I liked the results and figured it would give me the hardness in the end instead of being bloated and shit then doing Another "cutting" cycle.

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 11:42 AM

I also have my diet set. I will post that when I get home.

**Buster Brown** · 10-30-2012, 12:22 PM

Bloat has a great deal to do with diet. To say you will bloat on a Tes only cycle with a strict diet is hard to predict. I think you will probably hold a little bit of water with any form of Tes.

**fit2bOld** · 10-30-2012, 12:33 PM

You said it Buster Brown, bloat is usually diet related and if not diet estrogen related, due to failure to use an AI.....

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 12:42 PM

Should I run an AI throughout? Also HCG throughout or for a PCT

**warmouth** · 10-30-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

Should I run an AI throughout? Also HCG throughout or for a PCT

YES! This will help control bloat as well. Welcome back, andstick around this time. Also, I bet you do more than 2 at most

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 09:02 PM

Thanks everyone for the reply. doc finally got back to me..

week 1-10 Cyp200/Prop50 blend -1cc Monday 1cc Thurs

week 4-14 HCG Wed 500iu Sunday 500iu

week 1-14 AI M-W-F .5mg ( since it shows my estro levels are a bit high on my BW)

I believe I have what he told me written correctly.

I would like to run 100 mg anavar also weeks 4-10

Here is the diet:

730 am: 8 egg whites, 1/2 cup oatmeal ( 1x1000 vitamin c, 1x men multi vitamin)
930 am: 2 scoops whey protein
11:00 am: 7oz chicken breast, 1 cup brown rice, 1 1/2 cups green beans
2:00pm: 8oz turkey 99% fat free, 6 1/2 oz white rice
3:30 pm: pre workout 1 scoop rapid 5000 BCAA, 1 scoop mesomorph or ACG3
4:00-6pm: cardio 20 min then workout
6:00pm 2 scoops whey, 4oz pineapple
7:30pm 7oz cod, 2 cups spinach
9:00pm 2 scoops casein

totals:
protein: 314 g
carbs: 171g complex. CHO'S 225g total
fats 23.74g

Total Calories: 2241.6

1 gallon water per day
7oz salmon every 3 days

I am blood type A so i was told should avoid red meat and low dairy intake.

Goal is 8-10% body fat I am around 16 currently.

Let me know guys!

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

YES! This will help control bloat as well. Welcome back, andstick around this time. Also, I bet you do more than 2 at most

lol thats what im afraid of.. the wifey says no but we shall see

**warmouth** · 10-30-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

lol thats what im afraid of.. the wifey says no but we shall see

So does my wifey.....In fact, wifey dont know anything

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

So does my wifey.....In fact, wifey dont know anything

Since I am wimp she will be injecting me lol. What do you think of the cycle posted?

**stpete** · 10-30-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

Thanks everyone for the reply. doc finally got back to me..

week 1-10 Cyp200/Prop50 blend -1cc Monday 1cc Thurs Have to run that blend EOD for 12 weeks.

week 4-14 HCG Wed 500iu Sunday 500iuRun 250iu's twice a week from day one.

week 1-14 AI M-W-F .5mg ( since it shows my estro levels are a bit high on my BW)What AI? And EOD isn't M-W-F

I believe I have what he told me written correctly.

I would like to run 100 mg anavar also weeks 4-10Leave it out for now.

Here is the diet:

730 am: 8 egg whites, 1/2 cup oatmeal ( 1x1000 vitamin c, 1x men multi vitamin)
930 am: 2 scoops whey protein
11:00 am: 7oz chicken breast, 1 cup brown rice, 1 1/2 cups green beans
2:00pm: 8oz turkey 99% fat free, 6 1/2 oz white rice
3:30 pm: pre workout 1 scoop rapid 5000 BCAA, 1 scoop mesomorph or ACG3
4:00-6pm: cardio 20 min then workout
6:00pm 2 scoops whey, 4oz pineapple
7:30pm 7oz cod, 2 cups spinach
9:00pm 2 scoops casein

totals:
protein: 314 g
carbs: 171g complex. CHO'S 225g total
fats 23.74g

Total Calories: 2241.6

1 gallon water per day
7oz salmon every 3 days

I am blood type A so i was told should avoid red meat and low dairy intake.

Goal is 8-10% body fat I am around 16 currently.

Let me know guys!

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Can't comment on diet right now. I set your cycle up.

**warmouth** · 10-30-2012, 09:35 PM

I cant comment on the cycle, as I amhaving a heard time reading through all the posts and changes. Test only would be my suggestion though.

**speedfreak** · 10-30-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

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Can't comment on diet right now. I set your cycle up.

Thanks bro. I can extend with no problem, so 1cc EOD?

As for the AI he was saying aromasin but i seen everyone likes Armidex over that so he will get me that. He says M-W-F but what do you think

Thanks

**speedfreak** · 10-31-2012, 03:16 PM

bump

**MickeyKnox** · 10-31-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

Thanks bro. I can extend with no problem, so 1cc EOD?

As for the AI he was saying aromasin but i seen everyone likes Armidex over that so he will get me that. He says M-W-F but what do you think

Thanks

Agree with Pete.

If you can get Aromasin, I would go for it. Its easier on your lipids, and easier to control, imho.

MWF is not eod "every other day", as Pete pointed out. And because of the short ester in prop, it must be run eod to be effective.

**speedfreak** · 10-31-2012, 11:59 PM

Thanks everyone really appreciate all your help getting this right.

So basically where I am at is:

week 1-12 Cyp200/Prop50 blend -1cc EOD

week 1-14 HCG 250iu's twice a week Monday/Thurs ?

week 1-14 Aromasin .5mg EOD

Should I extend the HCG and the Aromasin a bit longer? What else should I be doing for PCT?

Thanks!!!!

**MickeyKnox** · 11-01-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by speedfreak

Thanks everyone really appreciate all your help getting this right.

So basically where I am at is:

week 1-12 Cyp200/Prop50 blend -1cc EOD

week 1-14 HCG 250iu's twice a week Monday/Thurs ?

week 1-14 Aromasin .5mg EOD

Should I extend the HCG and the Aromasin a bit longer? What else should I be doing for PCT?

Thanks!!!!

No.

PCT should include clomid/nolva.