HELP!!!! 1st time user

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 12:27 AM

I currently have Winstrol (Stanozolol ) oral tablets and Tren -E 200. What should I do for my first cycle or how should I begin my cycle? Do i need any additional roids or test?

**marcus300** · 11-03-2012, 12:59 AM

What are your stats?
How long you been training?
Wouldn't use any of those in your first cycle.

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 01:04 AM

190 5'11" Lifting for about 2 years now

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

What are your stats?
How long you been training?
Wouldn't use any of those in your first cycle.

what do you recommend?

**marcus300** · 11-03-2012, 01:07 AM

How old are you

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 01:10 AM

im 21 right now

**marcus300** · 11-03-2012, 01:13 AM

I wouldn't advice you to shut down your natural test at your age.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

**MuscleInk** · 11-03-2012, 01:18 AM

Captainb,

You started three threads already with the same question. Two other members made a similar recommendation (train hard, work on nutrition, and avoid steroids for a few more years).

Marcus is a highly respected vet here and offering very sound advice that is in your best interest even though it may not be the answer you wanted to hear. I hope you will be humble enough to follow the advice given.

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 01:19 AM

Thanks man yeah thats very understandable. I know where youre coming from. Seems like im rushing to it, but i feel prepared for the challenge. But now you made me doubt myself. If i did decide to start taking the winnys and the Tren -E should i take them separate or should i stack them and how? what else should i stack?

**captainbarbosaa** · 11-03-2012, 01:21 AM

Yea I just wanted different opinions from a couple of memebers tahst all but thanks man. I know I might still be young but i feel ready. i just need advice in how to take them

**BIGGUNSWANTED** · 11-03-2012, 01:34 AM

good info marcus I too still have a lot to learn even at 34 my body completely shut down on my last cycle i was trippin.

**bigZthedestroyer** · 11-03-2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by captainbarbosaa

Yea I just wanted different opinions from a couple of memebers tahst all but thanks man. I know I might still be young but i feel ready. i just need advice in how to take them

We all feel ready! But you have to realize that all these replies are for your best interest..you've received solid advice from very respectable members. What have you learned from researching tren e?