Daa related gyno

[ovidiu31]

Hey guys i bought test powder by usp labs since i dont think i am ready for steroids , i took 2 scoops for two mornings and i realized that my nipple were burning and just a shirt on them would make my nipples burn, so i stoped taking it. Ive got no pre-existing gyno and i am at 10% bf what should i do? I only took it for two days, how cant it kick in so fast?what should i do? Thanks

[austinite]

You did not get gyno. You're probably just working out harder, sweating. Try a different fabric for your shirt and wear something loose.

[acidking]

Nevermind

[ovidiu31]

Thanks, i realised there are two small lumps behind both of my nipples and its around half an inch from my nipples that it burns, and i realised it burns even without a shirt on.

[ovidiu31]

No its called test powder from usp labs, the guys who made jacked, and its a natural test booster

[austinite]

WTF? let me get this straight, you actually drank two scoops of testosterone powder?!!!

no. supplement.

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[austinite]

Lumps?? Really not likley. at all. Go see a doc.

[ovidiu31]

I am at the hospital right now, waiting, what should i tell him? Is there anything i should hide or ask if he can prescribe something incase its gyno?

[austinite]

Why? you didnt take anything illegal. Show him the contents of the Test Powder.

[ovidiu31]

Thank you very much, i will update how this goes and what the doc decides to do.

[austinite]

I hope the lumps you felt aren't really lumps. I'm thinking an allergic reaction maybe. Keep us posted.

[acidking]

Are you on AAS at all?

[austinite]

Are you on AAS at all?

He stated above he is not using. or... "Not ready for steroids " which is why he chose this powder.

[ovidiu31]

No i am not on any aas. I wanted to try this *natural* stack no one else semed to have had this problem. Ask of right now they are burning, its a very slight burning. Does daa kick in as fast as 2 days? This is really wierd..

[acidking]

You're just over reacting, wait a couple of weeks if you think your nipples are puffy and still itching or you maybe having gyno then take an AI, but I doubt a natural test booster is going to raise your test level so high that you have gyno in 2 days. You may like to get your test level checked after two weeks to see what they're at. I am no believer in those test boosters anyway.

[ovidiu31]

I really hope i am over reacting. The doc will tell me if i am actually developping gyno or if i am paranoid. I think i am very sensible to hormone imbalancement.

[MickeyKnox]

No i am not on any aas. I wanted to try this *natural* stack no one else semed to have had this problem. Ask of right now they are burning, its a very slight burning. Does daa kick in as fast as 2 days? This is really wierd..

Absolutely not. And you did not get gyno from two scoops of powder containing, amongst other things, DAA.

Sub'd for the results to this mystery.

p.s any previous pubertal gyno issues?

[ovidiu31]

Here to update: the doctor said i dont have gyno, that the daa might of increase my estogen\prolactin. Making my nipples very very sensitive. He told me to discontinue the usage ( which was alread done) He also said its impossible to get it in 2 days, relating to him even steroids dont cause gyno in two days. He told me to wear a large shirt and from now on it should calm itself. If it doesnt to go see him again. I never had puberal gyno and also was always very lean. Also his gyno exam was very very quick and not in dept. He lifted my nipple then puhed down and told me i dont have gyno. He told me he already saw 2 cases of daa gyno, so it isint impossible.

[MickeyKnox]

Here to update: the doctor said i dont have gyno, that the daa might of increase my estogen\prolactin. Making my nipples very very sensitive. He told me to discontinue the usage ( which was alread done) He also said its impossible to get it in 2 days, relating to him even steroids dont cause gyno in two days. He told me to wear a large shirt and from now on it should calm itself. If it doesnt to go see him again. I never had puberal gyno and also was always very lean. Also his gyno exam was very very quick and not in dept. He lifted my nipple then puhed down and told me i dont have gyno. He told me he already saw 2 cases of daa gyno, so it isint impossible.

Impossible, perhaps not. But I would want to know the details of these two cases before i would concede. I have never heard or read of anyone developing gyno form taking DAA.

Im not a betting man but if i was, i'd bet you a boatload of letro that these two cases involved young men with naturally high levels of testosterone .

[djjohnnied]

I have honestly heard of a few cases of people online getting gyno from DAA. Whenever your test is raised natiral or not your estrogen rises. some people react more than others. I cycle DAA and use aromasin along with it at a very very low dose and feel fine, a-sin is also shown to have test boosting properties.

[acidking]

If DAA raises test levels so high that it causes gyno and you're forced to take an AI, then what's the point? Just run a normal cycle on real test, at least you'd know how much test you have in you.

[pjliftsalot]

The problem is that daa increases not only test but aromatase. So it isnt that test goes so high that you get gyno. Its a combination of things. test elevates , as does aromatase and aromatatse activity , also there is an increase in prolactin as well with daa. Im not saying you can get true gyno from DAA. Most people that think they have gyno dont. Gyno is breast tissue growth. Most often it is simply puffiness and nipple sensitivity.

[MickeyKnox]

I have honestly heard of a few cases of people online getting gyno from DAA. Whenever your test is raised natiral or not your estrogen rises. some people react more than others. I cycle DAA and use aromasin along with it at a very very low dose and feel fine, a-sin is also shown to have test boosting properties.

The problem is that daa increases not only test but aromatase. So it isnt that test goes so high that you get gyno. Its a combination of things. test elevates , as does aromatase and aromatatse activity , also there is an increase in prolactin as well with daa. Im not saying you can get true gyno from DAA. Most people that think they have gyno dont. Gyno is breast tissue growth. Most often it is simply puffiness and nipple sensitivity.

Im fully aware of how testosterone behaves and what its role is in the human body, as well as increased levels of estrogen and the aromatase activity that results because of this. However, the prolactin comment is a new one for me. If you could shed some light on that, i would be appreciate it.

Also, if either of you would be kind enough to point me in the direction of empirical data, medical studies, OR, some respected Vet/Member that could describe his stats and personal experiences at the time he developed gyno from DAA, i would be very grateful.

Im an advocate of DAA because it worked for me. I have used and abused this product several times since it came out many years ago. Since that time i have never ever developed anything more than increased strength and muscle volume, (basically, the same results as creatine) at sometimes more than double the suggested dose.

[pjliftsalot]

Im fully aware of how testosterone behaves and what its role is in the human body, as well as increased levels of estrogen and the aromatase activity that results because of this. However, the prolactin comment is a new one for me. If you could shed some light on that, i would be appreciate it.

Also, if either of you would be kind enough to point me in the direction of empirical data, medical studies, OR, some respected Vet/Member that could describe his stats and personal experiences at the time he developed gyno from DAA, i would be very grateful.

Im an advocate of DAA because it worked for me. I have used and abused this product several times since it came out many years ago. Since that time i have never ever developed anything more than increased strength and muscle volume, (basically, the same results as creatine) at sometimes more than double the suggested dose.

1- D’ Aniello A. D-aspartic acid: an endogenous amino acid with an important neuroendocrine role. Brain Res Rev. 2007 Feb;53(2):215-234
2- Pampillo M, et al. The effect of D-asparate on luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone, alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone, GABA and dopamine release. Neuroreport. 2002 Dec 3;13(17):2341-2344
3- Nagy GM, et al. Control of prolactin secretion by excitatory amino acids. Endocrine. 2005 Dec;28(3):303-308

The issue is that it shows like a 200% increase in test / 150% increase in lh ...but also 150+% increase in prolactin. Its also probably prudent to mention that there have been several questions regarding potential neurotoxicity of this supplement. Both the prolactin and the neurotoxicity aspect make a dopamine agonist a prudent addition to a daa "cycle"if you will, at least in my humble opinion.

[MickeyKnox]

1- D’ Aniello A. D-aspartic acid: an endogenous amino acid with an important neuroendocrine role. Brain Res Rev. 2007 Feb;53(2):215-234
2- Pampillo M, et al. The effect of D-asparate on luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone, alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone, GABA and dopamine release. Neuroreport. 2002 Dec 3;13(17):2341-2344
3- Nagy GM, et al. Control of prolactin secretion by excitatory amino acids. Endocrine. 2005 Dec;28(3):303-308

The issue is that it shows like a 200% increase in test / 150% increase in lh ...but also 150+% increase in prolactin. Its also probably prudent to mention that there have been several questions regarding potential neurotoxicity of this supplement. Both the prolactin and the neurotoxicity aspect make a dopamine agonist a prudent addition to a daa "cycle"if you will, at least in my humble opinion.

This is terrific. Thank you!

Do you have the link so i may read it myself??

[Ashop]

Hey guys i bought test powder by usp labs since i dont think i am ready for steroids, i took 2 scoops for two mornings and i realized that my nipple were burning and just a shirt on them would make my nipples burn, so i stoped taking it. Ive got no pre-existing gyno and i am at 10% bf what should i do? I only took it for two days, how cant it kick in so fast?what should i do? Thanks

DAA has been shown to increase estrogen levels too but only 2 days into it suprises me.

[jimmyinkedup]

I looked into this supp alot when PA first released it. In fact i was sent 2 tubs of it from E Pharm to try. It works.
The prolactin, aromatase and POSSIBLE neuro toxic effects are very real issues with this. The advice given about a dopamine agonist alongside is pretty solid imo.

[ovidiu31]

Just to be safe i bought vitamin b6 since studies prove that it increases dopamine (meaning it lowers prolactin) i took it in big quantities and the side effects seemed to have stoped. I believe that b6 taken in big quantities lowers prolactin levels, as some studies show. Thanks guys for so much imput!! A simple test e cycle seems more predictable with the outcomes and better results i guess.. My opinion..

[MickeyKnox]

1- D’ Aniello A. D-aspartic acid: an endogenous amino acid with an important neuroendocrine role. Brain Res Rev. 2007 Feb;53(2):215-234
2- Pampillo M, et al. The effect of D-asparate on luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone, alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone, GABA and dopamine release. Neuroreport. 2002 Dec 3;13(17):2341-2344
3- Nagy GM, et al. Control of prolactin secretion by excitatory amino acids. Endocrine. 2005 Dec;28(3):303-308

The issue is that it shows like a 200% increase in test / 150% increase in lh ...but also 150+% increase in prolactin. Its also probably prudent to mention that there have been several questions regarding potential neurotoxicity of this supplement. Both the prolactin and the neurotoxicity aspect make a dopamine agonist a prudent addition to a daa "cycle"if you will, at least in my humble opinion.

Share this link please so that myself and others may read the article in its entirety. Thank you

I looked into this supp alot when PA first released it. In fact i was sent 2 tubs of it from E Pharm to try. It works.
The prolactin, aromatase and POSSIBLE neuro toxic effects are very real issues with this. The advice given about a dopamine agonist alongside is pretty solid imo.

No kidding?? Cant wait to see the full article. I really liked DAA and have supported it form its begiing. But i honestly didn't know it was THAT powerful. lol

Just to be safe i bought vitamin b6 since studies prove that it increases dopamine (meaning it lowers prolactin) i took it in big quantities and the side effects seemed to have stoped. I believe that b6 taken in big quantities lowers prolactin levels, as some studies show. Thanks guys for so much imput!! A simple test e cycle seems more predictable with the outcomes and better results i guess.. My opinion..

I agree.

[pjliftsalot]

I shared 3 published studies. If you google them you can read up about all of it my man!

[MickeyKnox]

I shared 3 published studies. if you google them you can read up about all of it my man!

..or you could put up the link(s)

I'll google it. Thanks.

[jimmyinkedup]

No kidding?? Cant wait to see the full article. I really liked DAA and have supported it form its begiing. But i honestly didn't know it was THAT powerful. lol

I would not say its that powerful. It is just a test booster that really works - which in and of itself is pretty rare. The important thing to remember with daa is that the effect on prolactin and aromatase isnt proportional to the effect on test so you might be well served to try to manage that aspect. What I found is by not doing so you get the higher #'s test wise - without the feelings that you are looking for in higher test levels (energy , libido etc)

[MickeyKnox]

Powerful in terms of doubling your test values and increasing your Luteinizing Hormone, and Prolactin levels, one and half times. That's pretty darn good for an OTC test booster.

I knew i liked this product for a reason.

But, others will say it's bunk and doesn't have any effect on them..go figure..