Short Burst Cycle with lower dosage?

**Castor87** · 11-19-2012, 04:29 PM

Hi guys,

I'm 28 and have a couple of cycles under my belt. I've been competing in bodybuilding for 9 years and at the national level for the past 3 years. I started out competing naturally and did my first run of AAS when I was 26. My first cycle consisted of 500mg/wk of test-e for 10 weeks and 4 weeks of dbol . I had some very wild side effects from the test (lots of acne, water retention etc even with using aromasin at 12.5mg EOD and gradually tapering up but still no difference) so my next cycle 10 months later after PCT I dropped my dose down to 350mg/wk of test prop for 8 weeks with 500mg of mast prop and had much better results.

I've been researching a lot about short-burst cycles and although I'm very competitive in bodybuilding, health and longevity is always my goal. I enjoy stepping up on stage but I have no ambition to turn pro, I do it for my own self satisfaction of disciplining my body. This is why the SBC's have taken my interest.

One thing I have found is that my body responds well to low doses so I like sticking to as low as possible (I think this is because I am only light, 165lbs @ 8%, usually on stage at 155-158 @ 4-5% and 5'4) , but I also have a HORRIBLE time recovering due to competing naturally every year for half a decade (constantly going up and down in weight and bringing your body to 3-4% is never healthy). I had to run Dr Scally's POWER PCT just to restart myself after my first cycle as my LH and free test were almost non-existent (0.7 LH and 2.0 free test with 118 total).

I was considering doing an 8 week cycle of 200mg/wk of test prop with 350mg/wk of NPP for 6 weeks however now I'm swaying more towards the idea of a 4 week run to get in and out quickly. Is there a way that I could do a short burst cycle without having to blast the typical high amounts of AAS (I frequently see these cycles done with 150mg prop ED and 50-75mg tren ED, which is extremely high for what I would respond to).

Cheers!

**austinite** · 11-19-2012, 07:32 PM

Well, you seem to be the opposite of me. I'm the slowest responder I know, so high doses are necessary in my case. If you're as responsive to low doses as you say you are, I see no problem giving it a try at a lower dose. I would however, consider running test at or higher than NPP. Give it a go, it's a short run, and you will learn from it.

Best of luck.

**cb714** · 11-19-2012, 08:26 PM

For short burst cycling it kinda defeats the purpose brotha. I started doing short burst cycles in June after reading Marcus's post on it. I must say it works very well and is more effective (for me) than any other method/program. If you havent already check out the thread by Marcus. Id post a link for you bro but im on the android app right now, not on a pc.

**Castor87** · 11-19-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Well, you seem to be the opposite of me. I'm the slowest responder I know, so high doses are necessary in my case. If you're as responsive to low doses as you say you are, I see no problem giving it a try at a lower dose. I would however, consider running test at or higher than NPP. Give it a go, it's a short run, and you will learn from it.

Best of luck.

Haha yeah, it's a blessing and a curse at the same time mate! I'll give it a go and see, my reasoning for the lower dose of test was just because I know I respond badly to high(er) doses of test and was going to see if it would be a better idea to try and let the npp or even tren do the work.

Originally Posted by cb714

For short burst cycling it kinda defeats the purpose brotha. I started doing short burst cycles in June after reading Marcus's post on it. I must say it works very well and is more effective (for me) than any other method/program. If you havent already check out the thread by Marcus. Id post a link for you bro but im on the android app right now, not on a pc.

Yeah definitely read that bro. I might try it at a lower dose and just see, worst case it's only 4 weeks and I guess I'll be able to tell if I've made any appreciable changes in that time frame.

**cb714** · 11-19-2012, 10:05 PM

Yeah thats true... do what works for you. What are you planning on running anyway?

**warmouth** · 11-19-2012, 10:18 PM

Sounds like you have your head in the right place for sure. I am all for someone being able to run lower doses. It keeps the AI use minimal (important to me) and if it works, hey keep at it. I would say a 6week short burst might be better, for me anyways, but you know your body and what you respond to. Keep us posted on what ever you do. Good Luck!

**ScotchGuard02** · 11-20-2012, 06:03 AM

I like lower doses myself. I get a lot of acne when I run 500mg/wk of Test. My last cycle was 300mg/wk of Test with 350mg/wk of Primo. Got really vascular and strong. I try to keep to keep the Test low and stack a non-aromatizing compound with it. I still break out even when I run an AI in my cycle. Lowering the Test dosage is the only way for me to effectively keep the acne in check.

**marcus300** · 11-20-2012, 07:19 AM

Short burst cycles are the best way to build muscle tissue without doubt IMHO, thats if you know how to design them properly and use the right compounds, also the little trick of priming will also open that growth window, many pro's use this method to sringboard them past a sticking point

...check out my thread on SBC

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ned&highlight=

**Castor87** · 11-20-2012, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by cb714

Yeah thats true... do what works for you. What are you planning on running anyway?

I was considering doing 8 weeks of prop at 25-30mg ED with 6 wks of tren a and npp at 25mg each ED, totally about 175-200mg p/wk of prop and 350mg p/wk of tren/npp. Not too sure how would I could condense this to a short cycle though.

Originally Posted by warmouth

Sounds like you have your head in the right place for sure. I am all for someone being able to run lower doses. It keeps the AI use minimal (important to me) and if it works, hey keep at it. I would say a 6week short burst might be better, for me anyways, but you know your body and what you respond to. Keep us posted on what ever you do. Good Luck!

I'll definitely keep you guys posted, cheers mate!

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I like lower doses myself. I get a lot of acne when I run 500mg/wk of Test. My last cycle was 300mg/wk of Test with 350mg/wk of Primo. Got really vascular and strong. I try to keep to keep the Test low and stack a non-aromatizing compound with it. I still break out even when I run an AI in my cycle. Lowering the Test dosage is the only way for me to effectively keep the acne in check.

Yeah I'm exactly the same. 500mg sends my hormone levels crazy and I get the worst acne. I struggled with cystic acne since I was 13 and I'm left with some pretty bad hyperpigmentation/keloids that I'm slowly getting rid of, but there is no way going on a big cycle is worth those kind of sides for me. Accutane killed it off when I was younger but I wouldn't get on it again.

Originally Posted by marcus300

Short burst cycles are the best way to build muscle tissue without doubt IMHO, thats if you know how to design them properly and use the right compounds, also the little trick of priming will also open that growth window, many pro's use this method to sringboard them past a sticking point

...check out my thread on SBC

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ned&highlight=

I was so glad when I saw you responded to this thread mate haha, your thread is what had got me very hooked on the idea! The prime will be easy I'm sure, sounds similar to the last few weeks of prep to me. I get coached by Alex Azarian and I've discussed this with him already in which he is fine with it all but it's a practice that he isn't too familiar with so I'm trying to get some outside opinions. I've noticed that in your thread you state that doses will depend on age/cycle history/individual response; so do you think that given my history a much lower dose would work? I was thinking something like this:

Day 1: prop @ 150mg, tren a/npp @ 150mg
Days 2-32: prop @ 30mg, tren a/npp @ 50mg

I know personally from experience that this would be the perfect dosage that would bring about less sides, however as I also get shut down very easily if I were to run this for 8 weeks I'm sure it would make recovery tough for me. I also like the idea being more frequent cycles with the 4 weeks on method and don't want to blast and cruise just yet, I'm just not sure if I would be wasting my time or not with something this short and low.

**marcus300** · 11-20-2012, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Castor87

I was so glad when I saw you responded to this thread mate haha, your thread is what had got me very hooked on the idea! The prime will be easy I'm sure, sounds similar to the last few weeks of prep to me. I get coached by Alex Azarian and I've discussed this with him already in which he is fine with it all but it's a practice that he isn't too familiar with so I'm trying to get some outside opinions. I've noticed that in your thread you state that doses will depend on age/cycle history/individual response; so do you think that given my history a much lower dose would work? I was thinking something like this:

Day 1: prop @ 150mg, tren a/npp @ 150mg
Days 2-32: prop @ 30mg, tren a/npp @ 50mg

I know personally from experience that this would be the perfect dosage that would bring about less sides, however as I also get shut down very easily if I were to run this for 8 weeks I'm sure it would make recovery tough for me. I also like the idea being more frequent cycles with the 4 weeks on method and don't want to blast and cruise just yet, I'm just not sure if I would be wasting my time or not with something this short and low.

You don't have to run a short burst cycle with high dose, usually the dose is worked off your cycle history because someone who has very little history with low to mmoderate dose usage wouldn't use high dose anyway so just incorporate low to moderate dose but link it to a pre cycle prime. I dont understand your above cycle is that daily dose weekly and why change the prop dose on day 2?

**Castor87** · 11-20-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

You don't have to run a short burst cycle with high dose, usually the dose is worked off your cycle history because someone who has very little history with low to mmoderate dose usage wouldn't use high dose anyway so just incorporate low to moderate dose but link it to a pre cycle prime. I dont understand your above cycle is that daily dose weekly and why change the prop dose on day 2?

Ah okay, great. That cycle is a daily dose, the only reason why I was changing the doseages was that I had a higher dose on day 1 to do a slight front load in that first week, I'm unsure if this would actually make a great deal of difference or not though.

**marcus300** · 11-20-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Castor87

Ah okay, great. That cycle is a daily dose, the only reason why I was changing the doseages was that I had a higher dose on day 1 to do a slight front load in that first week, I'm unsure if this would actually make a great deal of difference or not though.

No forget front load with prop, stick with one dose all the way through at 100mgs ed

**bigsiv** · 11-20-2012, 11:14 AM

I think he meant your dosage at 30mg ED. your cycle idea sounds pretty good I hope it works in such a short space of time. Definitely incorporate the prime I think with this cycle the prime would be more important with the dosages mentioned, good luck.

**Castor87** · 11-20-2012, 02:26 PM

Alright so keep the cycle as is but drop the front load? Which would mean 30mg prop and 50mg tren or npp ED for 4 weeks, PCT for the next 4, 8 weeks off then back on again... hopefully that'll work.

Thanks heaps for your input so far guys, I really appreciate it.

**marcus300** · 11-20-2012, 03:16 PM

Up your test to at,least 75-100 ed and prime for around 6 to 8 wks before

**Castor87** · 11-20-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Up your test to at,least 75-100 ed and prime for around 6 to 8 wks before

Alright mate, will do. Should I keep the tren at a similar dose as well? I prefer the idea of running tren/npp higher than test but from what I can see when cycling in these short bursts it's a bit of a different ball game by the looks of things. I had real bad sides whenever I've gone over 350mg/wk of test but again, I guess that was because those cycles were much longer.

I'll definitely do the prime. I'm currently sitting at around 6-7% at the moment, I could get on stage shredded if I dieted for about 6-8 weeks at the moment but I'm at my limit as to where I can be in regards to bodyfat setpoint (i.e. anything leaner than what I am right now and I start to feel like a complete zombie). No more shows until 2014, so I intend on maintaining this condition as good as possible while still being able to add a few lbs of LBM.