Low test High deca .. Loving it!

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 08:57 AM

Trying test 250 and deca 600 a week and loving it so far! Sides are non existent , blood pressure , pulse all perfect and hair is not shedding like normal.. Best of all my sex drive is through the roof.
I'm 4 weeks In right now and gains are nice and slow. I'm taking .25 adex eod which seems to be the sweet spot. I may run this for a while and see what happens. I'm also on trt so not worried about pct for those wondering.

Just wanted to post this after years of bro science telling u OMG test needs to be ran double deca..

**xXTeezanxX** · 11-20-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by slimshady01

Trying test 250 and deca 600 a week and loving it so far! Sides are non existent , blood pressure , pulse all perfect and hair is not shedding like normal.. Best of all my sex drive is through the roof.
I'm 4 weeks In right now and gains are nice and slow. I'm taking .25 adex eod which seems to be the sweet spot. I may run this for a while and see what happens. I'm also on trt so not worried about pct for those wondering.

Just wanted to post this after years of bro science telling u OMG test needs to be ran double deca..

I'm 17 5,8. And. I've been into lifting for a solid year I do lots of research on supps.

I it some methadrol extreme from a buddy today. I plan on taking half a serving for a week then off for a week then on again etc.

I have a pct. on and off cycle aid support

Am I to young to take this.

Or is there a way I won't see any side effects.

I'm new here so please pm me or something. I normally go on bb.com. But you get banned for talking about this there

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 11-20-2012, 09:39 AM

xXTeezanxX

If you want to ask a question totally separate from the thread, just start your own post.

**fit2bOld** · 11-20-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by xXTeezanxX

I'm 17 5,8. And. I've been into lifting for a solid year I do lots of research on supps.

I it some methadrol extreme from a buddy today. I plan on taking half a serving for a week then off for a week then on again etc.

I have a pct. on and off cycle aid support

Am I to young to take this.

Or is there a way I won't see any side effects.

I'm new here so please pm me or something. I normally go on bb.com. But you get banned for talking about this there

First your hijacking someone else's thread that is against the rules
Second you are not to take anything at 17 your endocrine system is still growing and your going to destroy it.
No one but scammers will PM you.
Try diet and exercise for the next 8 years

**fit2bOld** · 11-20-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by slimshady01

Trying test 250 and deca 600 a week and loving it so far! Sides are non existent , blood pressure , pulse all perfect and hair is not shedding like normal.. Best of all my sex drive is through the roof.
I'm 4 weeks In right now and gains are nice and slow. I'm taking .25 adex eod which seems to be the sweet spot. I may run this for a while and see what happens. I'm also on trt so not worried about pct for those wondering.

Just wanted to post this after years of bro science telling u OMG test needs to be ran double deca..

For now, I see no question in this other than you paid no attention to good information. Do what you will.....

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

For now, I see no question in this other than you paid no attention to good information. Do what you will.....

Was more of a post of information. So much info gets parroted year after year when no one actually tries the latter. I'm Trying it so far not experiencing anything negative only positives.

**Lunk1** · 11-20-2012, 10:03 AM

While you may not be experiencing labido crash...any ED or problem maintaining erection??

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

While you may not be experiencing labido crash...any ED or problem maintaining erection??

Nothing yet man in fact last night was fierce. I could hang wet towels off it. My aggression in bed was ridiculous as well. My wife was loving it!

**Lunk1** · 11-20-2012, 11:11 AM

I hope it works for you but keep in mind your only 4 weeks in and Deca is rather slow so the worst may be yet to come. I hope I am wrong and your updates would be great. I can see the concept being that since it is a 19nor you cold use the same type of dosing protocal a Tren . I have heard of this being done and evrytime ppl have hosen to tun test higher next time. Please keep us updated!

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I hope it works for you but keep in mind your only 4 weeks in and Deca is rather slow so the worst may be yet to come. I hope I am wrong and your updates would be great. I can see the concept being that since it is a 19nor you cold use the same type of dosing protocal a Tren. I have heard of this being done and evrytime ppl have hosen to tun test higher next time. Please keep us updated!

I will bro , just trying another option that may work did some but maybe not for others.. Deca does take a while to build up so perhaps things could change! Ill keep updating

**acidking** · 11-20-2012, 12:51 PM

I read in many places that test should always be higher or equal to the amount of deca you're running, forget why but I would urgently look into it if I were you.

Also, as I know, AI has no effect on 19-n.

**Sworder** · 11-20-2012, 01:55 PM

You have to love inexperienced parroting

So much broscience and "knowledge" that is wrong but repeated because they think they have a clue. Thanks for showing support of thinking for yourself. Be a leader, not a follower.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-20-2012, 02:29 PM

This test / deca discussion can never get straightened out, unfortunately. I wish there was a consensus on how to run test/deca to make life a little easier for people that are looking to get on it as a 2nd cycle, such as myself..=)

One person says you SHOULD run deca higher than test, and then others say the opposite. Hmmm...

**acidking** · 11-20-2012, 02:33 PM

What about 'stopping deca before test at end of cycle', can that be straightened out?

**Trying-Hard** · 11-20-2012, 02:37 PM

Ya, we needs a few things straightened out here. Come on vets, lets hear your valuable opinions so guys like myself (and others) know what to do..=)

**FONZY007** · 11-20-2012, 05:41 PM

I prefer to run my deca lower do to sides.. Everyone is different..

**austinite** · 11-20-2012, 05:44 PM

This is a matter of preference. Nothing NEEDS to be ran higher than anything.

**Lunk1** · 11-20-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

This is a matter of preference. Nothing NEEDS to be ran higher than anything.

Exactly! I have explained numerious times with tren for example that I have run it test lower, higher and equal to tren and found (I) prefer lower test. Some others (StPete for example) prefer higher test. Nobody is saying one way is wrong or right. It's simply a matter of preference. Sometimes it comes down to the individual and how they react to certain compounds. Some ppl are more prone to 19nor sides than others and that may determine the best protocal for them.

**Sworder** · 11-20-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

This test / deca discussion can never get straightened out, unfortunately. I wish there was a consensus on how to run test/deca to make life a little easier for people that are looking to get on it as a 2nd cycle, such as myself..=)

One person says you SHOULD run deca higher than test, and then others say the opposite. Hmmm...

There is nothing that needs to be straightened out. Have you ever heard a reasonable explanation to why testosterone must be run higher? An explanation not being "Because you won't have a libido if you don't."

Nandrolone or any other steroid will NOT interact or effect testosterone's ability to maintain libido. You can run 150-250mg testosterone with any other compound and still have a good libido. Nandrolone does not "counteract" testosterone.

Originally Posted by acidking

What about 'stopping deca before test at end of cycle', can that be straightened out?

Deca is a longer ester so you want to drop it a week before testosterone. Honestly the metabolites of Nandrolone linger for a long time and this is why people complain about having a hard time recovering. If you aren't on TRT I would suggest using another compound than Deca for your AAS needs. There are tons of steroids out there that will do Deca's job without the shutdown it entails.

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

For now, I see no question in this other than you paid no attention to good information. Do what you will.....

Care to share what "good information" was neglected?

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

For now, I see no question in this other than you paid no attention to good information. Do what you will.....

No obvioulsy i listened to bad information.."for myself anyhow" Because every time i ran test higher then Deca I would actually have a hard time maintaining WOOD and my hair would shed like crazy.

This time its the exact opposite.. I feel healthier, i dont get so winded, i dont have any bloat, BP today was 110/60 I also feel 100 times more relaxed then when i run higher test.

Remember all the old schoolers back in Arnolds day didnt even run test or if they did it was low amounts.. Ive read some back then thought it was cheap trash gear. It wasnt until HGH came out that test started to get ran in the very higher amounts because of how synergistic they worked together. Problem is the majority of us dont have the money to access real growth but everyone jumped on the bandwagon running crazy amounts of test anyhow.

For me anyhow my sex drive is always higher on a TRT dose then when i run 500 or more. The deca has not changed that one bit at least not yet.

**slimshady01** · 11-20-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder

There is nothing that needs to be straightened out. Have you ever heard a reasonable explanation to why testosterone must be run higher? An explanation not being "Because you won't have a libido if you don't."

Nandrolone or any other steroid will NOT interact or effect testosterone's ability to maintain libido. You can run 150-250mg testosterone with any other compound and still have a good libido. Nandrolone does not "counteract" testosterone.

Deca is a longer ester so you want to drop it a week before testosterone. Honestly the metabolites of Nandrolone linger for a long time and this is why people complain about having a hard time recovering. If you aren't on TRT I would suggest using another compound than Deca for your AAS needs. There are tons of steroids out there that will do Deca's job without the shutdown it entails.

Care to share what "good information" was neglected?

Good post Sworder!

**Chx beach 79** · 11-20-2012, 07:40 PM

I'm on deca 300 wk and test 500 wk cycle as my second cycle now... I don't know how it would be if test was lower than deca but, I have seen no bad sides! My gains in strength, energy, and size is crazy for me! I am up 5.2 lbs. in 2 weeks and down .8% in body fat...

**jimmyinkedup** · 11-20-2012, 07:46 PM

I have found the whole key to running these cycles is estrogen management. If you manage e2 however you choose to run it you will be good to go. I personally prefer allowing the more powerful steroid , either deca or tren , to be the workhorse and run my test low. In my opinion running test higher than deca or tren will not do anything to offset libido issues..if anything it could exaggerate the problem due to elevated estrogen because of higher test if it (estrogen) isnt managed properly. I also firmly believe the is a directly proportional relationship between estrogen and prolactin. That estrogen impacts prolactin more than any progestin we could take. I think that there may be an up-reguulation of prolactin recpetors due to progestin use - but that is speculative on my part due to one such study I have read. Interestingly enough that upregulation did not occur in the prl receptors in breast tissue SO anyway ....

**Sgt. Hartman** · 11-20-2012, 08:11 PM

^^^ jimmy's post is right on.

And i actually agree with sworder's as well

I'd love to see the e2 levels of anyone who thinks 19nors are to blame for lack of libido when running test with it.

**Lunk1** · 11-20-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

^^^ jimmy's post is right on.

And i actually agree with sworder's as well

I'd love to see the e2 levels of anyone who thinks 19nors are to blame for lack of libido when running test with it.

Anyone who has ran tren and kept E2 in check would NEVER blame it for a low labido lol.

**warmouth** · 11-20-2012, 11:27 PM

This sounds sweet man. Hopefully you can use this cycle to your advantage and get those shoulders up to par

You need to keep us posted on this one for sure. I have been told numerous times to run test at least equal to deca , then again, I have heard it opposite. Mostly high test with deca. As long as you keep this updated, Ill be following it. I am more curious about libido, BP, and lipids while running this. Also to whom it may concern, 18 is the minimal age to join, so any ages posted that is not 18 might want to edit their post asap before its too late. Good luck Slim!

**slimshady01** · 11-22-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I have found the whole key to running these cycles is estrogen management. If you manage e2 however you choose to run it you will be good to go. I personally prefer allowing the more powerful steroid , either deca or tren , to be the workhorse and run my test low. In my opinion running test higher than deca or tren will not do anything to offset libido issues..if anything it could exaggerate the problem due to elevated estrogen because of higher test if it (estrogen) isnt managed properly. I also firmly believe the is a directly proportional relationship between estrogen and prolactin. That estrogen impacts prolactin more than any progestin we could take. I think that there may be an up-reguulation of prolactin recpetors due to progestin use - but that is speculative on my part due to one such study I have read. Interestingly enough that upregulation did not occur in the prl receptors in breast tissue SO anyway ....

I've seen swifto talk about this same thing. More or less if you control estrogen prolactin does not become as much of an issue.

**slimshady01** · 11-22-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by warmouth

This sounds sweet man. Hopefully you can use this cycle to your advantage and get those shoulders up to par

You need to keep us posted on this one for sure. I have been told numerous times to run test at least equal to deca, then again, I have heard it opposite. Mostly high test with deca. As long as you keep this updated, Ill be following it. I am more curious about libido, BP, and lipids while running this. Also to whom it may concern, 18 is the minimal age to join, so any ages posted that is not 18 might want to edit their post asap before its too late. Good luck Slim!

Thanks bro I will update this as time goes on.

And yes need to get my shoulders up there lol...

I actually have a right shoulder impingement which makes it hard to bench and overhead press. I'm worried I may lose some size in the one part of me that actually looks good!

**kelkel** · 11-22-2012, 12:32 PM

Slim. Very interested as well in how this turns out for you in the weeks to come. I see no issues. IMO, you could probably reduce the dose or your AI as well as I'd bet you don't need quite that much.

Get some MSM powder for your shoulder issue! Helped mine.

kel

**slimshady01** · 11-22-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Slim. Very interested as well in how this turns out for you in the weeks to come. I see no issues. IMO, you could probably reduce the dose or your AI as well as I'd bet you don't need quite that much.

Get some MSM powder for your shoulder issue! Helped mine.

kel

Thanks for the response, you think .25 every 3rd vs every other?

I do use msm around 1-2 grams a day.