New Cycle - Feedback Requested

**bikeracer2012** · 11-21-2012, 01:35 PM

Looking forward to hearing the groups feedback. What are the groups thoughts on using this as a (first ever) cycle at the front of my training yr (then continuing HGH) This training time includes about 3 hours daily on the saddle of low intensity cardio. Looking to stay healthy, strong, lean down while preserving muscle before intensifying training. Thank you all.

5'10
176 lbs
Need to be at 160.

Testosterone -Propionate : 100mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle
Anavar - 50-80 mg/ed
HGH 4iu/ed
Clenbuterol 2 week on / off
Arimidex 0.5mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle (best option?)

So a few questions:

1. TestP a good choice?
2. Is it even worth inj at this low level? Should I switch to oral?

**Chx beach 79** · 11-21-2012, 01:41 PM

Are you trying to lose 16lbs? Did I read that correctly?

**bikeracer2012** · 11-21-2012, 01:47 PM

The goal with the cycle is not to lose weight. I fluctuate easily and can be at 165 in 3 weeks. It is off season so I am higher. I wasn't clear, sorry: by the time I start this I will be at/around by goal weight.

**Chx beach 79** · 11-21-2012, 01:58 PM

Even at the lower level test you will gain weight unless you are just starving yourself... The HGH I would imagine would increase appetite and weight as well, but I have never used HGH. Some of the vets will add more about that... Good luck!

**songdog** · 11-21-2012, 02:07 PM

1st time cycles are test only this way you see how your body reacts.Most run prop 8 weeks and wat you are trying to do can be done w/o aas.HGH is good for help in losing weight.But is better in older guys young guys dont really need it.You never mentioned your age.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 02:10 PM

Double post.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer2012

Looking forward to hearing the groups feedback. What are the groups thoughts on using this as a (first ever) cycle at the front of my training yr (then continuing HGH) This training time includes about 3 hours daily on the saddle of low intensity cardio. Looking to stay healthy, strong, lean down while preserving muscle before intensifying training. Thank you all.

5'10
176 lbs
Need to be at 160.

Testosterone -Propionate : 100mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle
Anavar - 50-80 mg/ed
HGH 4iu/ed
Clenbuterol 2 week on / off
Arimidex 0.5mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle (best option?)

So a few questions:

1. TestP a good choice?
2. Is it even worth inj at this low level? Should I switch to oral?

Originally Posted by bikeracer2012

The goal with the cycle is not to lose weight. I fluctuate easily and can be at 165 in 3 weeks. It is off season so I am higher. I wasn't clear, sorry: by the time I start this I will be at/around by goal weight.

I still cant make heads or tails of this ??

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 02:25 PM

I'm 35.
If you want to call it a double post, fine but seems like it made more sense to post a new question versus adding to the bottom of a different.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer20122012

I'm 35.
If you want to call it a double post, fine but seems like it made more sense to post a new question versus adding to the bottom of a different.

I wanted to be clear on WHAT it was that i found confusing. Know what i mean Vern?

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 02:41 PM

Ha, thanks. I just want to be able to use var and counter the slight depletion of test with Test. My weight will be in check before starting this. Does that help at all?

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 02:56 PM

Youre currently 5'10" 176lbs?

And this is your proposed cycle?

Testosterone -Propionate : 100mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle
Anavar - 50-80 mg/ed
HGH 4iu/ed
Clenbuterol 2 week on / off
Arimidex 0.5mg/eod throughout a 12 week cycle (best option?)

And youre looking to "lean down"?

What is your BF?

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 03:09 PM

Yes but at the start of this proposed cycle Ill be at my regular weight of 165. I'm 175 now (11.8 bf) but it is the off season for me which means I'm always a bit higher.

Goals: muscle preservation and increased metabolic activity. Looking to run Anavar to not only continue aid in reducing body-fat but preserving muscle tissue while on long (but easy) trainin with a smart clean calorie restricted diet

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 04:07 PM

I must be must be missing something here so i have to ask; are you a marathon runner? Or some other type of athlete that requires you to be so lean and light for a guy who's 5' 10"? I don't understand why you would want to be 160lbs at your height? And your goals can be achieved without AAS.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I must be must be missing something here so i have to ask; are you a marathon runner? Or some other type of athlete that requires you to be so lean and light for a guy who's 5' 10"? I don't understand why you would want to be 160lbs at your height?

I agree with MickeyKnox your goals seem a bit backwards if your overweight you cut, underweight you bulk. You seem to be very light on a cut is that your intention?

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 04:11 PM

Yes. I race bikes (bicycles) Lighter north of my croch the better.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer20122012

Yes. I race bikes (bicycles) Lighter north of my croch the better.

Ha ha ha ha understood.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:13 PM

Ha I've just had another look at your name lol I'm really slow tonight ha ha ha

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 04:16 PM

I let that one slide given I'm the newbie.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer20122012

Goals: muscle preservation and increased metabolic activity. Looking to run Anavar to not only continue aid in reducing body-fat but preserving muscle tissue while on long (but easy) trainin with a smart clean calorie restricted diet

I think the cycle you have proposed is pretty good for your goals, can't comment on hgh but other than that gtg. The guys will lean towards a test only cycle for your first which probably is the best route. You can still achieve the goals you desire with a simple 8 week prop cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer20122012

Yes. I race bikes (bicycles) Lighter north of my croch the better.

Well, all i can say now is that you definitely don't need ANY drugs to accomplish your goals. Taking AAS for your intended goals imho, is unnecessary.

Hit up the Nutritional Forum for the best advice.

Good luck.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by bikeracer20122012

I let that one slide given I'm the newbie.

Yeah thanx for that lol

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Well, all i can say now is that you definitely don't need ANY drugs to accomplish your goals. Taking AAS for your intended goals imho, is unnecessary.

Hit up the Nutritional Forum for the best advice.

Good luck.

I think maybe Mickey his training ( with it being so long and easy) could be catabolic therefore the idea of running test to compensate for this might not be a bad idea IMO

Diet is still key I agree with you there, could always improve on that no doubt

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 04:28 PM

Tell that to Blair Morgan.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Tell that to Blair Morgan.

?????? I'm not with it tonight Mickey who is Blair Morgan lol

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 04:31 PM

Double post

**MickeyKnox** · 11-21-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Morgan

Drug free.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Morgan

Cheers up to date now.
I had a conversation like this with someone the other night about being drug free when in completions such as boxing, a guy on this site (not mentioning no names) talking bull crap.

I agree completely Mickey taking AAS in a sport which it is banned is CHEATING and I would never advise that.

**bikeracer20122012** · 11-21-2012, 04:37 PM

Besides the typical as sides that I've re-read, what are the disadvantage of running var with the low test in my situation? seems like the advantage outweigh any muscle mass I put on in weight. Lets assume a great smart diet.

**bigsiv** · 11-21-2012, 04:42 PM

With an oral it's always gonna be stressful on the liver, I personally wouldn't run anavar that long but I ain't an expert on this.
Are you competing OP what do you think of MickeyKnox opinion? Blair Morgan ?

**bikeracer2012** · 11-21-2012, 05:09 PM

I think it is a fair statement - even though a good portion of my competitors are doing something as well. That said, I did come here for a reason knowing others have tried and succeed so I am looking for the info to do it safely.