Suppression vs. Shutdown and hormones later in life

**Shsm** · 11-23-2012, 06:27 PM

Let's say Mike, who is 16 years old, decides to run a 6 week cycle of Anavar only. On his third week, he decides what he's done is a mistake and immediately stops. He had blood work done prior to starting and immediately after he stopped. His blood work dictated his natural testosterone levels were suppressed by 30-40% of their original value. He carries out a solid PCT and gets his blood work done 2 months after. To his suprise, his natural testosterone levels are 15% higher than they were when he originally started.

Is Mike at any risk involving hormones in his later years due to the suppression caused by the Anavar? He wasn't shut down, just suppressed. Will his HPTA develop to its original values if he didn't choose to cycle Anavar? Will he ever be affected adversely by the suppression?

**Lunk1** · 11-23-2012, 06:42 PM

Maybe....how's that for a definitive answer?

**Chx beach 79** · 11-23-2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Maybe....how's that for a definitive answer?

Ha! You never no the damage it will have done until they get older in most cases.... So MAYBE, is the best answer he could get now...

**Shsm** · 11-23-2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Maybe....how's that for a definitive answer?

Lol...this isn't about me...I told you I'm waiting...

**Lunk1** · 11-23-2012, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Lol...this isn't about me...I told you I'm waiting...

Doesn't matter who it's about...there is never a known end result. The things I am doing now may or may not effect me for 20-30 years and even then they will manifest themselves in health problems that can not be directly linked to AAS use! While AAS use could attribute to the problem it could also be so many other influences that AAS will most never be the sole culprit!

**Shsm** · 11-23-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Doesn't matter who it's about...there is never a known end result. The things I am doing now may or may not effect me for 20-30 years and even then they will manifest themselves in health problems that can not be directly linked to AAS use! While AAS use could attribute to the problem it could also be so many other influences that AAS will most never be the sole culprit!

You don't understand what I'm asking my dude. This question isn't regarding health issues affiliated with prolonged use of AAS. The reason I asked this question was for a discussion regarding Mike's HPTA reaching full maturation despite the brief suppression of his natural testosterone from the Anavar i.e. is he now at any disadvantage when it comes to developing in the upcoming years

**Times Roman** · 11-23-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Let's say Mike, who is 16 years old, decides to run a 6 week cycle of Anavar only. On his third week, he decides what he's done is a mistake and immediately stops. He had blood work done prior to starting and immediately after he stopped. His blood work dictated his natural testosterone levels were suppressed by 30-40% of their original value. He carries out a solid PCT and gets his blood work done 2 months after. To his suprise, his natural testosterone levels are 15% higher than they were when he originally started.

Is Mike at any risk involving hormones in his later years due to the suppression caused by the Anavar? He wasn't shut down, just suppressed. Will his HPTA develop to its original values if he didn't choose to cycle Anavar? Will he ever be affected adversely by the suppression?

Everyone is different so the answer is unknowable.

I'm not comfortable with hypotheticals involving 16year olds with a 19 year old. this board seems to find it's way into a pissing match at least once a month over this and similar topics regarding youth and steroids . You may ask this question, but it is a hot topic and others have ran afoul in the past discussing this. No matter how you churn the question, the standard answer is wait until your mid twenties before thinking about using aas.

**Times Roman** · 11-23-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

You don't understand what I'm asking my dude. This question isn't regarding health issues affiliated with prolonged use of AAS. The reason I asked this question was for a discussion regarding Mike's HPTA reaching full maturation despite the brief suppression of his natural testosterone from the Anavar i.e. is he now at any disadvantage when it comes to developing in the upcoming years

if the situation was as you laid it out, with var that only partially surpressed, and with a quick cycle f/u with an aggressive pct and blood panels showed a return to normalcy, then in all probability, the risk of future problems is low.

**Lunk1** · 11-23-2012, 07:07 PM

I guess I still think I am answering the same way...maybe a in my old age I misinterperate things lol. The damage to Mikes HPTA may not reveal itself for 20 years! There is a chance that use at that age resulting in mild suppression will have no effect on Mikes HPTA and he would develop just fine. There is also obviously a great chance that supression prior to being fully developed could become obvious early on.

The problem is that if he has issues developing due to damage to the HPTA it still may be impossible to determine if the Var usage was to blame. If the suppression aloowed for full recovery then he "should" not experience any developmental problems....buy as I said in the beggining MAYBE he will!

Am I still off??

**>Good Luck<** · 11-23-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

You don't understand what I'm asking my dude. This question isn't regarding health issues affiliated with prolonged use of AAS. The reason I asked this question was for a discussion regarding Mike's HPTA reaching full maturation despite the brief suppression of his natural testosterone from the Anavar i.e. is he now at any disadvantage when it comes to developing in the upcoming years

I think you're not understanding the answer my dude. Its like asking what will the weather be on my birthday in 7 years from now. You won't know till you get there and even then, you may never know. The only way to be sure is to abstain from use until mike is all growd up

My guess is that he will be at a disadvantage regardless of his levels because he interrupted what was naturally occurring. Maybe not tho... Ya digg

**Shsm** · 11-23-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

if the situation was as you laid it out, with var that only partially surpressed, and with a quick cycle f/u with an aggressive pct and blood panels showed a return to normalcy, then in all probability, the risk of future problems is low.

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I guess I still think I am answering the same way...maybe a in my old age I misinterperate things lol. The damage to Mikes HPTA may not reveal itself for 20 years! There is a chance that use at that age resulting in mild suppression will have no effect on Mikes HPTA and he would develop just fine. There is also obviously a great chance that supression prior to being fully developed could become obvious early on.

The problem is that if he has issues developing due to damage to the HPTA it still may be impossible to determine if the Var usage was to blame. If the suppression aloowed for full recovery then he "should" not experience any developmental problems....buy as I said in the beggining MAYBE he will!

Am I still off??

Thank you for your input gentlemen

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

I think you're not understanding the answer my dude. Its like asking what will the weather be on my birthday in 7 years from now. You won't know till you get there and even then, you may never know. The only way to be sure is to abstain from use until mike is all growd up

My guess is that he will be at a disadvantage regardless of his levels because he interrupted what was naturally occurring. Maybe not tho... Ya digg

Only Lunk1 gets to call me his dude...you feel me? Lol j/k, thank you for replying

**>Good Luck<** · 11-23-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Thank you for your input gentlemen

Only Lunk1 gets to call me his dude...you feel me? Lol j/k, thank you for replying

Every once in a while this board reminds me of jail when people attach themselves to others for safety or support lol from now one I will refer to you as "lunk1's shsm"

**Lunk1** · 11-23-2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Every once in a while this board reminds me of jail when people attach themselves to others for safety or support lol from now one I will refer to you as "lunk1's shsm"

This board reminds you of being ass raped?? You may want to see someone about this

Shsm is just trying to hit on my daughter lol. Since they are a year apart lol

**>Good Luck<** · 11-23-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

This board reminds you of being ass raped?? You may want to see someone about this

Shsm is just trying to hit on my daughter lol. Since they are a year apart lol

Ass raped??

ALL my farts make noise bro. All of them.

**Sworder** · 11-23-2012, 10:57 PM

When you are supplying exogenous androgens you are "maturing" the HPTA in a sense. Testosterone and anavar is prescribed to pubertal teens who are a little behind in developing. The androgens will stimulate the HPTA to mature by the increased amount of androgens and helps them develop the androgen traits males possess. I personally believe that androgens are "kept" track of by the HPTA or they leave a mark in a sense. So if you run tren for 2 years as a 20 year old you may end up with the HPTA of a 60 year old. Which is why many cyclists end up being secondary hypogonadal early on in their life.

By supplying exogenous you can not change the GENETIC properties in your DNA to make your HPTA produce less LH/FSH later on in life. I do believe in the maturation by excess androgens.

Just my 2¢

**Metalject** · 11-23-2012, 11:12 PM

^^^Sworder's response is the best so far IMO. I've said this before, a lot of steroid users who follow all the safe bro recommendations will be very surprised when they still end up on TRT. Countless men end up on it anyway, even more need it but don't realize it and for a steroid user it should always be assumed.