New to all this! Help please (and greatly appreciated!)

[athom062]

Hello everyone,

I'm new to the whole scene. Have done a bit of research (forum, reference book, and peer-reviewed research journals), but want some personal insight into 1st and second cycles. Anyone willing to help me program my first cycle? I really appreciate the help and am grateful to have a forum like this.

Respectfully,
AT

p.s. few other questions I have:
just test c first cycle? or dbol kickstart?
hcg necessary on cycle?
tamox only ok for pct or need to stack?

[athom062]

Currently 6'3" 240 10%. 1RM's: Squat (deep!) 405, bench 375 (recovered from recent injury), deadlift 550, power clean 315, snatch 250.

[austinite]

Welcome.

What has all your research yielded? It's best to propose a complete cycle for critique, you will get a lot more feedback that way.

Good luck.

[MuscleInk]

Start by reading this:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UMenOr-9Kc1

Then, as Austinite said, post a cycle you think is appropriate for your first time and goals. Members will offer advice and suggest changes where necessary.

Remember, your nutrition will play an even bigger role in obtaining goals so do NOT sell that short. Before starting your cycle, have your nutrition checked in the nutrition forum.

[athom062]

12 weeks test Test C (start at 500mg/wk, bumped up to 750, then wean off)
4wk d bol tab kickstart 50/50/75/75
liver support preloaded and for duration of d bol

not sure of my pct thought
nolva 40/40/20/20 is very common and has been proven, but I've considered stacking with clomid

Have a pharmacologist friend who (with supporting bloodwork) has claimed "you don't need a pct. they (test and d bol) are both androgenic but its more of a dose issue that needs pct....you could always get some clom or tam and have as a back up but i doubt youll have any issues with those doses....theres not much liver support thats really shown to work...your liver should be fine and able to regenerate ..dbol would be the biggest worry but its honestly not as bad as tylenol or alcohol on your liver"


What I'm unsure about is:
1. preload letro to prevent gyno?
2. hcg oncycle to prevent shutdown?
3. nolva pct alone or combined?

I have also seen L-dex and nolva on cycle

[athom062]

Thanks for the link MuscleInk. I greatly appreciate it. Nutrition is and has been in check. Training form and programming in check. Just not 21 anymore

[MuscleInk]

12 weeks test Test C (start at 500mg/wk, bumped up to 750, then wean off)
4wk d bol tab kickstart 50/50/75/75
liver support preloaded and for duration of d bol

not sure of my pct thought
nolva 40/40/20/20 is very common and has been proven, but I've considered stacking with clomid

Have a pharmacologist friend who (with supporting bloodwork) has claimed "you don't need a pct. they (test and d bol) are both androgenic but its more of a dose issue that needs pct....you could always get some clom or tam and have as a back up but i doubt youll have any issues with those doses....theres not much liver support thats really shown to work...your liver should be fine and able to regenerate ..dbol would be the biggest worry but its honestly not as bad as tylenol or alcohol on your liver"

What I'm unsure about is:
1. preload letro to prevent gyno?
2. hcg oncycle to prevent shutdown?
3. nolva pct alone or combined?

I have also seen L-dex and nolva on cycle

There are some very useful threads under the PCT section created by Swifo and another by Pinnacle. I suggest you give these a read as well. Tamoxifen and clomiphene should be used as part of your PCT and it is necessary. HCG is used during cycle because it mimics LH and helps keep the leydig cells from atrophying and staying active. Your PCT should start two weeks after your final injection on cycle.

Your first cycle should be testosterone only. Run it at 500mg/wk for weeks 1-12, injecting 2 or 3 times a week. You will need an AI, begin dosing the day of or no later than the day after your injection. The three most common AIs are arimidex , femara, and aromasin . Each has its advantages and disadvantages. Read up on each to understand how they work and the potential risks. Leave the orals for a second or third cycle. It's best to see how your body reacts to one compound before throwing several in to the mix. That way, if you have any adverse effects you'll be able to assess and adjust the dose as needed.

It wouldn't hurt to have your nutrition plan checked. Everyone says theirs is perfect and then they find out there are better ways to eat. Your nutrition counts for nearly 80% of your gains or loses. Don't sell yourself short.

[austinite]

12 weeks test Test C (start at 500mg/wk, bumped up to 750, then wean off)
4wk d bol tab kickstart 50/50/75/75
liver support preloaded and for duration of d bol

not sure of my pct thought
nolva 40/40/20/20 is very common and has been proven, but I've considered stacking with clomid

Have a pharmacologist friend who (with supporting bloodwork) has claimed "you don't need a pct. they (test and d bol) are both androgenic but its more of a dose issue that needs pct....you could always get some clom or tam and have as a back up but i doubt youll have any issues with those doses....theres not much liver support thats really shown to work...your liver should be fine and able to regenerate ..dbol would be the biggest worry but its honestly not as bad as tylenol or alcohol on your liver"


What I'm unsure about is:
1. preload letro to prevent gyno?
2. hcg oncycle to prevent shutdown?
3. nolva pct alone or combined?

I have also seen L-dex and nolva on cycle

Preload letro? No. L-dex is a better, more manageable option and should be used on cycle up to pct.

HCG on cycle for testicular atrophy prevention and a speedy recovery.

Nolva and along with clomid for PCT. Frontload the 1st week only, then use half that dose for the remaining 3 weeks of PCT.

75 dbol is quite aggressive. Especially for a 1st timer. I would remove that from your plan and wait until your second cycle to include it.

Please refrain from taking any advice from your pharmacologist friend. He is quite the clueless being. Never mix friends and AAS.

No support for liver? Try NAC. And dbol is worse than alcohol.

Good luck.