Tren/Deca/T-Enanthate Cycle

[Chromatic123]

First off just to get a few facts on paper.
1. 22 years old
2. Currently 140lbs, and 5'10 tall
3. Aprox 2 years on/off in the gym. Currently going on 4th week (back from break)
4. Currently taking, mutli vitamin, fishoil, tri-flex, and just regular protein shakes dailey (or close to it) And few times a few take pre-workout: NO Xplode
5. This is sorta my second time going on a cycle, i've took a previous dball only cycle which probably wasn't the most beneficial cycle for me... but i did reach my maximum weight and peak strength which was about 151lbs.

So yea basically i ordered some goodies which includes...4 test-e, 2 deca , 1 tren all 10 ml vials. Dosage is 1cc per injection.
And my question is... how should i make a good, safe, and beneficial cycle out of this. And/or is this cycle a good idea at all for someone who hasn't really taken steroids before.

My goal is of course increasing strength and weight of about 20-30 lbs.

Thanks.

[Bio-Active]

With your stats bro you are no were close to your genetic limit. I would suggest hitting the nutrition forum and getting your nutrition in order before even considering the use of aas.

[Cronos]

This is a bad idea, and I will tell you a couple reasons why.

1. You're only 22, hence your endocrine system isn't fully matured, therefore introducing any AAS at this age isn't a good idea

2. You only weigh 140!!! At 5'10!!! You don't even have a foundation to start with, and I'm not surprised seeing as your training history is "2 years on/off" That's not dedication. I'm sure your intensions are there, but your diet and training are in serious need of help. You never start taking steroids if diet, training and rest aren't in order first.

3. The stack you refer to is way too advanced for a second cycle for almost ANYONE, let alone you.

And p.s. Listing the dosage as "1cc per injection" is a dead giveaway of your lack of knowledge on this subject

[pitchindude]

First off just to get a few facts on paper.
1. 22 years old
2. Currently 140lbs, and 5'10 tall
3. Aprox 2 years on/off in the gym. Currently going on 4th week (back from break)
4. Currently taking, mutli vitamin, fishoil, tri-flex, and just regular protein shakes dailey (or close to it) And few times a few take pre-workout: NO Xplode
5. This is sorta my second time going on a cycle, i've took a previous dball only cycle which probably wasn't the most beneficial cycle for me... but i did reach my maximum weight and peak strength which was about 151lbs.

So yea basically i ordered some goodies which includes...4 test-e, 2 deca , 1 tren all 10 ml vials. Dosage is 1cc per injection.
And my question is... how should i make a good, safe, and beneficial cycle out of this. And/or is this cycle a good idea at all for someone who hasn't really taken steroids before.

My goal is of course increasing strength and weight of about 20-30 lbs.

Thanks.

You should've waited to order the stuff until After you asked these questions.

As everyone will likely tell you...

1- too you. Wait till 25.
2- much too light for AAS. Get your diet straightened out and lift hard. Make your gains naturally, you'll lose anything you get from AAS anyway until you learn how to eat.
3- first cycle should be one compound only, and it should be test. But you're still too young.

If you want to be safe you need to wait.

[Chromatic123]

Okay, i understand. 2 years on/off in my terms meant like 6 months on/1to2 month break. I have been prepping for AAS by eating more meals dailey and hitting the gym harder than before.
Basically you think i should gain more weight naturally and get stronger naturally before starting any type of cycle.

I know i lack knowledge, and i have been lurking around the forums to pick up bits and pieces of information, but it takes time and im working on that, thats why i am asking.

Any recommendations on when i should start a cycle and a good cycle to start with?

[Chromatic123]

And as for my order/dosage i just copy and pasted that.

[Chromatic123]

I understand a lot of people tell new steroid users to wait till they are older to use steroids , but most of us do not want to wait. So is there a safe way for someone at my age to see these type of gains because i have tried naturally and i peaked out at 150lbs.

[panntastic]

I understand a lot of people tell new steroid users to wait till they are older to use steroids, but most of us do not want to wait. So is there a safe way for someone at my age to see these type of gains because i have tried naturally and i peaked out at 150lbs.

Don't talk such rubbish! Peaked out at 150lbs!!!!
Post everything you ate yesterday in order please

[Capebuffalo]

Please list everything you ate yesterday. Please.

[panntastic]

Please list everything you ate yesterday. Please.

Hahaha cape to slow brother

[Misery13]

I understand a lot of people tell new steroid users to wait till they are older to use steroids, but most of us do not want to wait. So is there a safe way for someone at my age to see these type of gains because i have tried naturally and i peaked out at 150lbs.

You are receiving the BEST advice that we the senior members of this board who are in the know have for you. I fully understand that that's not what you want to hear, but trust us. We know what were talking about. Why else would you be on here asking?

Read. Eat. Sleep. Train. And be patient. Good things come to those who listen and wait.

[Misery13]

Hahaha cape to slow brother

I do believe that he was asking him again...

[panntastic]

I do believe that he was asking him again...

Was all in good fun mate didn't mean to sound arsey

[snowman]

Son, take the advice everyone is giving you... at 22, at 140pounds, you are, no way near, ready to use steroids , let alone what you want to use... your joints, your ligaments aren't ready for the pressure you will put on them, when using steroids , you are just asking for problems....You need to eat more, train and sleep, ... maybe take some protein shakes to add to your food intake, and creatine, but thats about it... i will be surprised if anyone on here, will help you with any steroid cycles... for sure you will get help, but its not to take steroids, its advice why you should not take it, with your current status....

[pitchindude]

because i have tried naturally and i peaked out at 150lbs.

No. You stopped making gains likely because your diet is off and/or you weren't lifting properly.

[Bio-Active]

Okay, i understand. 2 years on/off in my terms meant like 6 months on/1to2 month break. I have been prepping for AAS by eating more meals dailey and hitting the gym harder than before.
Basically you think i should gain more weight naturally and get stronger naturally before starting any type of cycle.

I know i lack knowledge, and i have been lurking around the forums to pick up bits and pieces of information, but it takes time and im working on that, thats why i am asking.

Any recommendations on when i should start a cycle and a good cycle to start with?

Post up your meal plan for us to review with macros.

[Chromatic123]

Woke up 6am like usual. (This is pretty much m-f routine)
Drank my usual protein shake which includes: half a bananna, 1 scoop of serious mass, half an apple, 2 eggs, and half a glass of milk. All in a 16oz cup.
7am (was at work) Ate 3 cookies just to get something solid in my stomach
1030am: An entre of Hot turkey breast /w gravy with mash potatoes and 3 pieces of bread.
3pm: 2 pieces of garlic bread, mixed vegetables (includes carrots and brocolli), and ate 9-11 pieces of roast chicken (legs/thigh)
Took one hr nap (tired from work)
5pm- 8count chicken nugget from chick-fil-a (light meal before the gym)
530pm- hit the gym for a friday light workout (already went sun-thurs to get all my main workouts out of the way)
630pm - went to chickfil-a and ate a chick-fil a sandwhich and another 8 count chicken nugget. (i felt stuffed at this point)
1030pm - ate a pb and j sandwhich. and then went out to hangout with some friends since it was a friday
Came home around 12-1am - Drank another 16oz protein shake of what was listed before (same blend)... and went to sleep.

Woke up today around 11, and ate breakfast. Probably shoulda ate a heavier meal closer to night, but fridays usually throw me off since i go out instead of going to sleep. (Dont have work on sat)

[Chromatic123]

And i UNDERSTAND the fact that i am not ready YET, but im trying to figure... when i will be ready. And i'm not waiting till 25, i will wait till i gain more naturally, but not waiting 3 years..Call me stupid, call me whatever.

[Bio-Active]

Bro i am not flaming you at all but your nutrition plan needs some serious work before doing any cycling. Head over to the nutrition section and let those guys help.

[panntastic]

Your diet is crap it's full of simple carbs and processed crap.
I suggest you post that up in the nutrition section and let the diet gurus help you sort it out

[Granovich]

damn man 140 lbs at 5'10
u sure thats right ??
fix ur diet man!!!
dont eat chicken nuggets LOL thats not food

[pitchindude]

And i UNDERSTAND the fact that i am not ready YET, but im trying to figure... when i will be ready. And i'm not waiting till 25, i will wait till i gain more naturally, but not waiting 3 years..Call me stupid, call me whatever.

Stupid.

[Chromatic123]

Your diet is crap it's full of simple carbs and processed crap.
I suggest you post that up in the nutrition section and let the diet gurus help you sort it out

Didnt know turkey breast and all white meat chicken and roasted chicken and vegetables was simple carbs and processed crap. maybe i am an idiot

[Chromatic123]

Stupid.

Okay, cool. But nobody at my age wants to wait till they are 25+ and already out of college and prob already about to get settled down to start getting noticeably big.. Lets be real. I want to gain for myself and blah blah but hell i'd like to show off too

[Capebuffalo]

Thank Mickey for this
Try this for 3 months and see what happens
al 1: 60g Oatmeal
1 scoop protein powder
Total: (~230/5/45/35)

Meal 2: 100g Banana
250g Pineapple
227g Fat Free Greek Yogurt
Total: (~355/0/60/20)

Meal: 3 200g Whole Wheat Pasta
200g Premade Vodka Sauce
Total: (~455/5/80/5)

Meal 4: 141g Tuna(1 can)
2 slices Whole Wheat bread
10g Mayonnaise
Total: (~390/10/40/30)

Meal 5: 200g Chicken Breast
200g Sweet potato
Green Veggies
Total: (~420/5/35/45)

Meal 6: 250mL Whole milk
50g Peanut Butter
100g Banana
Total: (~550/35/45/20)

Meal 7: 200g Chicken Breast
200g Sweet potato
Green Veggies
Total: (~420/5/35/45)

Meal 8: 200g Apple
50g Peanut Butter
Total: (~400/25/40/15)

Meal 9: 2 String Cheese
250g Pineapple
Total: (~285/10/30/15)

Meal 10: 5 Whole Eggs
40g Shredded Cheese
Total: (~490/35/0/40)

Total: (~3995/135/410/270)

[Capebuffalo]

And don't start coping an attitude you asked for help. We are trying to help you

[Bio-Active]

Look bro we have all had to dial in our nutrition at some point. With out getting your nutrition plan sorted out doing any aas is just going to be a waste and unnecessary to put your body through that. You will loose any gains you make on cycle as well. Let the gurus in the nutrition section help you out and in the mean time research, research, and research. Start reading up on PCT as well. Best of luck

[Chromatic123]

Bro i am not flaming you at all but your nutrition plan needs some serious work before doing any cycling. Head over to the nutrition section and let those guys help.

Alright will work on that, now as for the main question. When will i be ready to start cycling after i get my nutrition down.

[pitchindude]

Alright will work on that, now as for the main question. When will i be ready to start cycling after i get my nutrition down.

When you're 25.

[pitchindude]

Okay, cool. But nobody at my age wants to wait till they are 25+ and already out of college and prob already about to get settled down to start getting noticeably big.. Lets be real. I want to gain for myself and blah blah but hell i'd like to show off too

If you're not mature enough to wait you're not mature enough to use.

[Capebuffalo]

Alright will work on that, now as for the main question. When will i be ready to start cycling after i get my nutrition down.

When you put 20-30 lbs on natty you will be ready. Otherwise through your money away now it will be a lot quicker.

[Bio-Active]

Alright will work on that, now as for the main question. When will i be ready to start cycling after i get my nutrition down.

Honestly once you get closer to your genetic limit. You will know because the gains will be much harder. Once you get your diet sorted out you are going to make gains that make peoples heads spin!! You should be able to gain naturally for 2 or 3 years before considering the use of aas. This will give you plenty of time to make an informed decision.

[Chromatic123]

Ok. Thanks for the info.

[Chromatic123]

Just seems weird to me that you want me to put on 20-30 lbs naturally which would make me my final goal already which is probably 170-180. I don't want to be 200lbs

[Bio-Active]

Just seems weird to me that you want me to put on 20-30 lbs naturally which would make me my final goal already which is probably 170-180. I don't want to be 200lbs

Even better if you can do that with out the use of aas. Then you will be able to maintain that natty.

[Lunk1]

5'10" 140...I'd bang a chick with those stats (my new favorite line).

Make reaching goals a priority not using AAS.

[panntastic]

5'10" 140...I'd bang a chick with those stats (my new favorite line).

Make reaching goals a priority not using AAS.

^^^^^hahaha^^^^^