Athlete looking on cycling tips!!

**Biershenk7** · 12-26-2012, 08:35 AM

Hey guys I'm new to the site and I've been reading on here to get some info and have researched also! I play men's softball and steroids are huge in the sport and thought I would try some so last year I took a cycle of tren 1cc 3x a week and 1cc of Winstrol a week and it basically just ripped me up which was fine with me! With my first cycle I didn't wanna do much just see a change! But now I've moved up in the softball world and will be playing in the conference this year and I wanna get stronger, I'm 5ft 9 at 180 lbs and wanna gain some strength and get stronger cause most of the guys in the conference are much bigger than me so I'm looking to compete with them. I got some t400 from my buddy and really want some advice on dosage! I don't wanna get huge or look to compete in a bodybuilding show just some size and strength! Also I thought about taking some dbol with it! Some advice would be great

**Gaspaco** · 12-26-2012, 10:11 AM

Welcome!

1-12 test E or C 500mg/week split in two pinns.
1-4 dbol 30mg a day
1-12 adex 0.25mg eod or aromasin 12.5mg eod
1-until 4days until youll start PCT run HCG 250iu twice a week.

PCT 14days after last pin of test.

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

**Capebuffalo** · 12-26-2012, 10:26 AM

You ran tren and winny with no test?
How's your libido ?
That's the dumbest thing I have heard. I think you need to do a lot of research and get bold work done before you try anything else

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2012, 11:32 AM

Your first cycle was horrible. Def do not run dbol now. They will kill you in sports. The pumps will limit you

**Biershenk7** · 12-26-2012, 04:58 PM

It was fine had no problems! And as far as research that's why I'm here and all I'm looking for is some advice to get strong and add a little size nothing major!

**Biershenk7** · 12-26-2012, 05:02 PM

Yeah I figured that I mean it worked cause people could tell I swole up a bit and got ripped! But I got some test now (t400) and taking .5cc 2x week my question is is that enough for what I'm trying to do and dbol is a bad idea? I heard that stuff gives you crazy strength

**Capebuffalo** · 12-26-2012, 05:27 PM

Your not researching your looking to be spoon fed. Read the stickies read the profiles.
What ai will you use?
What's your pct protocal?

**Biershenk7** · 12-26-2012, 06:30 PM

See that's why I got on here is for help and I like your constructive criticism... Really! I don't know what an AI is!! And I don't have a pct but from what I heard Nolva is a good one! I've just started the t400 so I was gonna get some at the end of it!

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Biershenk7

See that's why I got on here is for help and I like your constructive criticism... Really! I don't know what an AI is!! And I don't have a pct but from what I heard Nolva is a good one! I've just started the t400 so I was gonna get some at the end of it!

i already told you about the d-bol
you do research before you start not after. and 1 reason is you should be using an ai and you dont know what it is.
and you should have everything before you start including your pct. you never wait to later to get stuff

**Biershenk7** · 12-26-2012, 06:53 PM

Okay so since I've just took one shot should I just stop and lift good for a few months and do some good research and make sure I have everything I need before starting again

**Rv8G30** · 12-26-2012, 07:22 PM

Considering you dont even have an ai on hand yes id stop!

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2012, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by biershenk7

okay so since i've just took one shot should i just stop and lift good for a few months and do some good research and make sure i have everything i need before starting again

Originally Posted by rv8g30

considering you dont even have an ai on hand yes id stop!

yes!

**Biershenk7** · 12-27-2012, 03:18 PM

Okay guys thanks for all the help!

**songdog** · 12-27-2012, 05:00 PM

Yes stop learn about wat you are doing.you can really mess yourself up.You are lucky you can still get get it up after that 1st cycle.That wasnt one of the smarter things you have done.after you do some research you will see why.

**Biershenk7** · 12-30-2012, 10:59 PM

okay guys ive been doing some research since last on here and heres what i got. i need an ai such as arimidex to keep estrogen levels low to keep from getting gyno and some water retention. also i will need a pct such as nolva to reboost my natural testosterone and to keep my gain i get! ive read that arimidex .5 mg eod or 0.25 everyday! and i should start my pct a few weeks after my cycle ends put not 100 percent on how long or the dosage! how does this sounds and please correct me if im wrong on anything!

**stpete** · 12-30-2012, 11:09 PM

We need to know your cycle. Yes, you will need an AI. I prefer Armidex @ .25 eod. You can always adjust up if need be. PCT times and dosages are dependent on your cycle.

So, we need to know your cycle. Length, dosages...

**Biershenk7** · 12-30-2012, 11:30 PM

i had some t400 but got rid of it cause that shit is a little too painful for me but i got rid of it and got some dbol and thinking about running an only dbol cycle for 5 weeks, 6 at the most! i know most people dont recommened that but some say its okay and some dont! but im not for sure yet cause im debating on waiting and running some test with it but if was to do the dbol only i would do

20mg week 1
30mg week 2
40mg week 3-4
30mg week 5
20mg week 6

takin live52 with it too

**MuscleInk** · 12-30-2012, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Biershenk7

i had some t400 but got rid of it cause that shit is a little too painful for me but i got rid of it and got some dbol and thinking about running an only dbol cycle for 5 weeks, 6 at the most! i know most people dont recommened that but some say its okay and some dont! but im not for sure yet cause im debating on waiting and running some test with it

Dbol only isn't widely recommended. You need to replace the testosterone you'll be shutting down and dbol is liver toxic so not the safest strategy.

T400 is a blend. Of course it's gonna hurt with all the varying ester lengths.

**Biershenk7** · 12-30-2012, 11:40 PM

is it still as toxic with the liver pills tho and as far as replacing the test ill be losing isnt that what the pct is for

**MuscleInk** · 12-30-2012, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Biershenk7

is it still as toxic with the liver pills tho and as far as replacing the test ill be losing isnt that what the pct is for

The OTC liver supps will help but TUDCA and UDCA would be better choices along with NAC. Keep in mind you have one liver and its essential. One dbol cycle isn't likely to have long term effects on liver but its your liver. Decide how much risk is acceptable. You can't live without a liver.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-31-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Biershenk7

i had some t400 but got rid of it cause that shit is a little too painful for me but i got rid of it and got some dbol and thinking about running an only dbol cycle for 5 weeks, 6 at the most! i know most people dont recommened that but some say its okay and some dont! but im not for sure yet cause im debating on waiting and running some test with it but if was to do the dbol only i would do

20mg week 1
30mg week 2
40mg week 3-4
30mg week 5
20mg week 6

takin live52 with it too

i love when people ask for advise and then completely ignore it. Dbol is not good for sports. You will get muscle pumps that will limit you.

run the d-bol since your so set on it. Then let me know when you cant even run around the field because your calves are so pumped and your useless.
Sorry to put it like a d!ck, but everyone has warned you

**Turkish Juicer** · 12-31-2012, 02:14 PM

OP, you will always benefit for listening to the advice of knowledgeable members and vets on this forum.

So, make sure you take the advice of these members in particular, since everyone can be particularly opinionated about AAS use but that doesn't mean they actually precisely know their stuff.

Before anything else, oral steroids are toxic and it is never a necessity for an athlete to take oral AAS.

Second, there are many compounds in the world of AAS that are known to limit cardiovascular activities for various reasons, as gixxerboy1 above whose experience and knowledge we all respect and hence listen to, tried to explain. Anavar , Dbol , Trenbolone are the most common cardio killers that we know of from first hand experience mainly because muscle pumps are simply intolerable for basically anyone while cycling these compounds. It is just a stupid idea to be on these compounds and naively expect to attain your goals in softball or any other athletic involvement maybe expect for BB and powerlifting.

All you need is a reasonable weekly dose of pure injectable Testosterone and nothing else, frankly.

Just ask first before you move on with a flawed pseudo-cycle as you did before, cycling Tren and Winstrol with no Testosterone as the base of your cycle was stupid enough; not to mention Winstrol should be also amongst the least favorable injectable AAS for an athlete mainly because you can easily destroy your joints while on it.

Ask, listen, apply.