cutting bf want to maintain LBM

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 12:58 PM

yall prob dont care so much about diet but figd id include so u can see why maintaining LBM could be an issue.

training day: 3000cals training every 3 days

non training: 2 days consecutive 400cals fairly large amount of cardio (HIIT/LISS)

2 doses mod grf 1-29 + ghrp-2 for fat burning 2 doses per day (starting at 1/2 dose (50mcg ghrp-2/20mcg mod grf)progressing to 2 doses over 2 week period)
full dose being 100mcg GHRP-2/40mcg mod grf

TRT dose of test (120mg per week)

200mg primo per week (for LBM maintaining purposes ONLY NOT Making any gains)

the idea is simply to preserve the LBM i have while i run such a strict deficit for 6 weeks to get bf% down to the 6-7% level..

i know about primo being run at high doses for long periods of time but like i said im only trying to keep what ive got which isnt above what my current TRT will support.. it has been suggested to either run primo, var, or winny and IMO the primo will be better risk factor/averse side effect wise but id like to hear what yall think??

basically my question is do u think 200mg primo will cut it for helping maintain LBM while running such a deficit?

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yall prob dont care so much about diet but figd id include so u can see why maintaining LBM could be an issue.

training day: 3000cals training every 3 days

non training: 2 days consecutive 400cals fairly large amount of cardio (HIIT/LISS)

2 doses mod grf 1-29 + ghrp-2 for fat burning 2 doses per day (starting at 1/2 dose (50mcg ghrp-2/20mcg mod grf)progressing to 2 doses over 2 week period)
full dose being 100mcg GHRP-2/40mcg mod grf

TRT dose of test (120mg per week)

200mg primo per week (for LBM maintaining purposes ONLY NOT Making any gains)

the idea is simply to preserve the LBM i have while i run such a strict deficit for 6 weeks to get bf% down to the 6-7% level..

i know about primo being run at high doses for long periods of time but like i said im only trying to keep what ive got which isnt above what my current TRT will support.. it has been suggested to either run primo, var, or winny and IMO the primo will be better risk factor/averse side effect wise but id like to hear what yall think??

basically my question is do u think 200mg primo will cut it for helping maintain LBM while running such a deficit?

Quit honestly buddy, I think a blast dose of test would do a better job than that low of primo dose!

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Quit honestly buddy, I think a blast dose of test would do a better job than that low of primo dose!

maybe im just a bit concerned with E2.. just got blood work taken yesterday and am waiting for results. primo i know does not convert.. ur the expert here..

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

maybe im just a bit concerned with E2.. just got blood work taken yesterday and am waiting for results. primo i know does not convert.. ur the expert here..

I keep forgetting about your E2 sensativity! I have not run Primo so my advise is not as solid as I would like it to be. I would be shocked at that dose if there would be much of an anobolic effect! Your low TRT dose would be more anobolic!.

Just man up and add a low dose of tren

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 01:19 PM

well thats why i included the peps which should contribute as well. plus the TRT. so ill have it on 3 difft levels. remember im not trying to gain anything just not lose..

**DanB** · 01-03-2013, 03:14 PM

a moderate dose of var or tbol would help also, not sure about primo that low but one thing it wouldnt do is any harm if you tried it

**DanB** · 01-03-2013, 03:15 PM

are you doing fasted cardio? and if so are you pinning the ghrh/ghrp before it?

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

a moderate dose of var or tbol would help also, not sure about primo that low but one thing it wouldnt do is any harm if you tried it

what would u consider moderate for var??

Originally Posted by DanB

are you doing fasted cardio? and if so are you pinning the ghrh/ghrp before it?

yes fasted cardio 2 sessions per day.. both fasted..

**DanB** · 01-03-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

what would u consider moderate for var??

yes fasted cardio 2 sessions per day.. both fasted..

40-60mg, if it was me i would be closer to 60mg, i ran 40mg before and wasnt too impressed, with 60mg i was happy enough, this was while cutting also, my main reason was to just get a little extra strength and add a little lbm, also using t3 and it worked nicely, didnt lose any lbm, i never done the math so dont know exactly how much but just from looking in the mirror at the time i knew i added a little lbm

thats my man, i like your style, fasted cardio is the way forward, i notice results from fasted cardio alot sooner when i pin me some peps but i have never trained fasted 2x's, i know you can put the hard work in after following your already impressive transformation so i would expect the fat to literally fall off you mate

if your pocket can stretch to it then i would strongly advise a pre bed pin of grf/ghrp aswell, i sleep 3hrs and feel fully rested so going by my non science based logic, this had to give substantial improvement in muscle recovery, people knock peps sometimes, but i have to say i was pretty iimpressed when i started, fatloss, energy/recovery times, mental and physical, mental clarity and general overall sense of well being, like a elevated mood kind of thing, hard to describe

you going to log this? id be interested as im sure many others will, i might be starting one myself very soon if a certain member keeps twisting my arm

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 05:16 PM

hey thx for the responses dan!

i suppose my puny little amounts of gear i may run arent worth the time of the "big boys" LOL..

ive never run a cycle and would not dare call this a cycle but like i said im just trying NOT TO LOSE (loose) any LBM! i may also increase my test dose to 200mg per week so itd be something like:

200mg test cyp
200mg primo
100mcg/40mcg ghrp-2/mod grf 2 maybe 3x per day

thats is but where the work is gonna come in is the diet! 400cals will not go very far satiety-wise so its gonna be a challenge and also why ill need to add some stuff. im hoping my E2 comes back GTG so i can roll with it!

i will be logging this in my thread. its my home i only start new threads for topics occasionally where i need some quik attention. i think when i get to where i wanna be itll be cool to have an entire thread with everything in it.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 05:17 PM

btw i like what u had to say about the peps!

did u get any adverse sides? insomnia, ED, hunger, etc..??

**Bio-Active** · 01-03-2013, 05:25 PM

Why not just add an AI and up the test?

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 05:32 PM

ive been trying to dial in E2 for 14 months on TRT.. maybe ill consider it depending how my bloodwork comes back. had it drawn yesterday.. been yo yo ing for a year! thinking i may not need AI as ive been off it for 5 weeks since going sub q but i need blood work results to see where im at.

i wouldnt know where to start with adding one in. i dont plan on being on an increased dose that long anyways (maybe 6 weeks)..

i do have plenty of adex so.. what would u recommend? mg wise..

**Bio-Active** · 01-03-2013, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

ive been trying to dial in E2 for 14 months on TRT.. maybe ill consider it depending how my bloodwork comes back. had it drawn yesterday.. been yo yo ing for a year! thinking i may not need AI as ive been off it for 5 weeks since going sub q but i need blood work results to see where im at.

i wouldnt know where to start with adding one in. i dont plan on being on an increased dose that long anyways (maybe 6 weeks)..

i do have plenty of adex so.. what would u recommend? mg wise..

Most start at .25 eod

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Most start at .25 eod

i was referring to the test sorry..

i was trying to get around running a full blown cutting cycle.. from that dosage sounds like ur suggesting 500mg test right?

**Bio-Active** · 01-03-2013, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

i was referring to the test sorry..

i was trying to get around running a full blown cutting cycle.. from that dosage sounds like ur suggesting 500mg test right?

Gotcha if your trt dose of test is 200 ew i would bump it to 400 ew. I made great gains making this jump!

**Bertuzzi** · 01-03-2013, 06:02 PM

That's an interesting approach... the 2 - 400 cal days I am curious to see how this goes...

I too have never done Primo but the 200mg test and Anavar or tbol is a good idea.... I like var better but it costs more. I found that Tbol caused serious muscle cramps... like uber intense and I was supplementing heavy taurine and potassium. I did not experience any cramps with var while supplementing with taurine and potassium. I always drink 7 to 8 litres of water ed so my water intake was good.

I personally would injecting myself with B12 on the morning of the first 400 cal day, so basically twice a week... a little extra energy couldn't hurt for those 2 days.

My 2 cents

Good luck, like I said I am interested to see the outcome

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 06:08 PM

405..I'm just concerned that 200 primo is not enough to sustain and it would be muscle and $ wasted. I like Dans idea of Var though!

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 06:24 PM

yeh i thought i included that in the OP. var, win, or primo.. yall say var?? would be nice to just swallow a pill for a change! LOL..

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Gotcha if your trt dose of test is 200 ew i would bump it to 400 ew. I made great gains making this jump!

i appreciate the input jim

TRT dose is currently 120mg per week. i cant emphasize enuff my intent is not to make gains so much as to simply preserve LBM while cutting fat. hardening would definitely be welcomed though.

**gixxerboy1** · 01-03-2013, 06:44 PM

I agree with dan. I think ur better of with the var then primo

**--->>405<<---** · 01-03-2013, 07:08 PM

ok fellas..

200mg cyp per week
60mg anavar /day
100mcg ghrp-2/40mcg mod grf 2-3x per day

sound good?

**DanB** · 01-03-2013, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

btw i like what u had to say about the peps!

did u get any adverse sides? insomnia, ED, hunger, etc..??

i already had and still have insomnia so cant attribute that to peps, i got hunger on ghrp6, switched to ipa and nothing, CTS but I call that more of an effect rather then a side, that died down a little after a month or so and I went on hgh but I still pin mod grf/ipa pre bed and occasionally get CTS or wake during night to use toilet or a drink etc and experience it

I cant comment on long term sides/dangers, nobody can at this stage but short term I have nothing adverse to report

**DanB** · 01-03-2013, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

ok fellas..

200mg cyp per week
60mg anavar /day
100mcg ghrp-2/40mcg mod grf 2-3x per day

sound good?

you basically have it down, if you want to get technical then saturation dose is 1mcg/kg of bodyweight so you could lower ghrp a little, (actually im not sure what you weigh lol you may be to close to 100kg to be worth the hassle) but Id also run the mod grf as close to saturation as possible

They only the x,y,z though, you have the abc sorted and looking g2g i.m.o

have fun!