Test & Tren fighting for same receptors?

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 10:50 PM

I want to get some feedback from the pro's out there with exp. using Test & Tren in the same run. I've read that they both fight for the same receptors and that Tren should be run towards the end of the cycle instead of run along side the Test?

**Lunk1** · 01-11-2013, 11:10 PM

There are more than enough receptors to go around...thats a huge steroid MYTH!

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:25 PM

So If I ran Test at 500mg on my current cycle and in my next cycle I wanted to run Tren say at 400mg a week, I should run Test at what? Also running Mast with the cycle as well and Winny towards the end. So it would look like this.

1-10 Test P 100mg EOD
1-8 Tren A 100mg EOD
3-10 Winny 50mg ED
3-7 Mast 100mg EOD
5-10 T3 50mg ED

of course AI along with and PCT at the end

**Lunk1** · 01-11-2013, 11:26 PM

WOW...you got about everything in there but the kitchen sink lol.

What are your stats and cycle history if I may???

**daniel20** · 01-11-2013, 11:31 PM

Quote from ronnie rowland:

It's somewhat of a myth. Let me explain: First, test is safer and more user friendly than tren long term so that must always be taken into consideration. And you will get results using higher dosages of test over tren and vise versa. Both ways work! I personally suggest using test at higher dossages for most because tren has more side effects such as insomina, severe headaches ,sexual dysfunction, night sweats, and breathing problems so bad that it can trigger asthma attacks. I do feel that tren binds to AR stronger than test and some people experience fewer side effects while keeping test lower than tren but some get some nasty sides using more tren and less test. For example, no libido at all and a lack of sleep which IMO will cause one to age and cause health issues over the long haul! Tren doesn't over power test in terms of androgen reception but it does over power test regarding it's anabolic and androgenic properties. Tren has a higher binding affinity than test, but what tren does not take up will be taken up by test and various orals. I feel most have a better overall experience using more test and less tren. Tren takes up more receptors but one can take large dosages of test with large dosages of tren before full saturation of receptor sites occurs. I know that some IFBB pros are taking 3 grams or more of test weekly, 2 grams of tren weekly, and various orals daily. Why? Because it works!

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:33 PM

Currently on 3rd cycle

38yo
255lbs
14% bf
6'1

**Lunk1** · 01-11-2013, 11:35 PM

Nice stats....What have your previous cycles consisted of???

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:39 PM

I think I should quantify my goal with the 4th cycle. You may notice the cutting compounds in my suggested cycle?

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:43 PM

1st Sust 250mg wk - 10 wks

2nd Sust 400mg wk 12 wks

3rd cycle Sust 500mg 12 wks
Deca 300mg 12 wks
dbol 40mg ED

**Lunk1** · 01-11-2013, 11:45 PM

Here would be a suggested tweak

1-8 Test P 200 mg EW
1-8 Tren A 350mg EW
1-8 Mast P 500-700mg EW
5-8 Var 60-80 mg ED

I left out T3 because I don't care for it (completely on you there)
I switched Winny to Var because I prefer it..what ever you decide the time is the same

Feel free to ask any questions and I would love to hear your AI and PCT plans!

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:45 PM

and .125mg oed Anastrozole

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:46 PM

why only 8 weeks? Is that because of short esters?

**Lunk1** · 01-11-2013, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by copaaz

why only 8 weeks? Is that because of short esters?

Yes...gains diminish on short esters after 6-8 weeks..at this point the ratio of gains vs. side start to switch!

**copaaz** · 01-11-2013, 11:56 PM

Yeah I think var would be a great sub for winny. I'll consider that switch.

**copaaz** · 01-14-2013, 05:41 PM

What would your recommendation be fore PCT for your cycle in post #10?

**Lunk1** · 01-14-2013, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by copaaz

What would your recommendation be fore PCT for your cycle in post #10?

3 days after last pin...Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20!

**Bio-Active** · 01-14-2013, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Here would be a suggested tweak

1-8 Test P 200 mg EW
1-8 Tren A 350mg EW
1-8 Mast P 500-700mg EW
5-8 Var 60-80 mg ED

I left out T3 because I don't care for it (completely on you there)
I switched Winny to Var because I prefer it..what ever you decide the time is the same

Feel free to ask any questions and I would love to hear your AI and PCT plans!

I know its a short cycle but why not have hcg during?

**Lunk1** · 01-14-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

I know its a short cycle but why not have hcg during?

Yes...nice catch Jim. I should have included that! Gracious!

**copaaz** · 01-14-2013, 08:21 PM

yeah, that's what I thought.

**copaaz** · 01-14-2013, 08:22 PM

I'm two weeks into my current cycle and I haven't started HCG yet, but I have it. Is it ok to start it now?

**Lunk1** · 01-14-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by copaaz

I'm two weeks into my current cycle and I haven't started HCG yet, but I have it. Is it ok to start it now?

My opinion is it's never to late! 250iu X 2 per week!

**Bio-Active** · 01-14-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by copaaz

I'm two weeks into my current cycle and I haven't started HCG yet, but I have it. Is it ok to start it now?

Yes start it now and run it right up to pct

**stpete** · 01-14-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by daniel20

Quote from ronnie rowland:

Nice find! Just so happens, i agree!

**MuttonChop** · 01-14-2013, 09:12 PM

You might not even need HCG if you are going to do 8 weeks at those doses. And if you do end up using HCG, many vets recommend using it during just the first week of PCT.

There are good reasons for that and I am too lazy to do the research for you (leydig cell desensitization to LH and FSH...blahblah look it up). HCG can sometimes be more dangerous for you than the steroids you are using.

I might as well also suggest dropping everything but test and tren . The tren will just kick Anavar and Winstrol 's ass, especially Anavar. Anavar is just not synergistic with Tren.

**copaaz** · 01-30-2013, 09:20 PM

This cycle would make a great bulk cycle but what if I wanted to cut on it? If I wanted to do that, would I cut my caloric intake a certain amount of calories below my BMR? I don't imagine I would gain anything per the caloric deficit. If I ran this as a bulk cycle would the BF% still drop? I've heard Tren can reduce mid-section BF on men even while bulking.

**dmk327** · 02-17-2013, 02:48 PM

Yah you really need hcg for your bf to take ur load huh. You people are pussies get on a real juice protocol for 2 years cruise and burst and then tell me. Bc its way healthier on the heart to go rapidly up and down in weight so often huh. Oh no I'm shut down after a 5 week baby cycle of mostly underdosed shit bc you are pussies and if you aint gonna ****in go balls to the wall then stay off juice or I will find you your family and well hahahaha

**dmk327** · 02-17-2013, 02:59 PM

Yah you really need hcg for your bf to take ur load huh. You people are pussies get on a real juice protocol for 2 years cruise and burst and then tell me. Bc its way healthier on the heart to go rapidly up and down in weight so often huh. Oh no I'm shut down after a 5 week baby cycle of mostly underdosed shit bc you are pussies and if you aint gonna ****in go balls to the wall then stay off juice or I will find you your family and well hahahaha

**ironbeck** · 02-17-2013, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by daniel20

Quote from ronnie rowland:

Interesting

**XxAndreaxX** · 02-18-2013, 04:42 AM

I did the big mistake not to start HCG during cycle. at week 4, crazy pain in one ball. so I started immediately HCG and everything fine for now. my doses are 500 sust and 400 tren A
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