Tren ace

[Alinjr]

Less test, more tren . That's my rule of thumb. In my experience I love it except the insomnia Part.

[XxAndreaxX]

honestly, how many users got mid to big gains, more than 5kg with trt test and 75mg EOD tren ace?
without doing some weird calculation, of loose fat and gain muscle. only RAW gains?

[anahny]

I've been running tren at. 100mg EOD and test p 50mg eod. Gained 10lbs and bodyfat went from 12% to 10%. I still have 3 weeks in my cycle left. The worst sides for me is insomnia. I'm always tired and have to force myself through a workout which I workout 7 days a week. Seems like no matter what I eat, I'm still decreasing bodyfat. But seriously sleep is just as important if not more important than diet and exercise. After all your body grows while you're sleeping. Tren is awesome but sometimes I can't handle it and want to stop my cycle. But I suck it up and think about my gains and progress.

[Lunk1]

There are so many BS comments made about tren in this thread. Some ppl need to read Atominis thread BETTER! Yes he prefers Caber. If youtalk to him he will also tell you E2 is the key to control PRL. He may take Caber but it's for more than just the reason stated. If you pay attention and read through his ENTIRE thread you will see that he often rec. Caber or Prami tobe kept on hand. Why? Because it simply is not needed in 99.9% of the cases (made up %)!

It sounds like a lot of ppl giving advice on tren with little to no TRUE experience (Pete being an exeption)!

[lovbyts]

Why is it so shunned on? Everyone says its not for beginners or novice bb. It's super strong and has huge sides.. Then 2 lines down someone says its the best thing since sliced bread. What's the deal and why is it such a crazy aas? If it is dosed right and ran with test, hcg, proper ai then what's the problem? Just looking for feed back, not an argument. ?

Im sure everyone has been great to explain but I want to give my analogy. Driving a F1 Indy car is a total rush but is that what you should learn to drive in?

BTW in regard to Tren A vs E it makes no difference if you are a beginner or your 1st cycle meaning dont use either.
Another good way to know if you should use tren A or E is when you have enough experience with other compounds and you dont need to ask anyone because you already know what you should be doing.

[Psaletta]

Im sure everyone has been great to explain but I want to give my analogy. Driving a F1 Indy car is a total rush but is that what you should learn to drive in?

BTW in regard to Tren A vs E it makes no difference if you are a beginner or your 1st cycle meaning dont use either.
Another good way to know if you should use tren A or E is when you have enough experience with other compounds and you dont need to ask anyone because you already know what you should be doing.

Thanks luv, tren A is a short ester with a shorter half life and 19 nor, best ran with prop..another short ester. 8 week cycle would be good. I'm not taking tren.. But if I was I would simply do research on its aas capabilities and make sure it's the right drug for the job. I'm simply learning more about different compounds and what the gents on hear think of them. I by no means am a pro at this nor do I claim to be.. I would never give advice to someone with out being positive I knew what I was talking about. And thanks to all the input on this fascinating drug. Cheers guys!

[Atomini]

Interesting you say a person has to have dostinex. What if i told you that i've ran tren for 8 cycles and only used it once at dosages upwards to 700mgs EW?

OP- Tren effects everything you do. It could start w/ night sweats and lead into insomnia. Couple that w/fatigue and loss of sex drive, and at that point you're confused. Yes, gains will still happen but you're paying the price. Your appetite will diminish as well. The only way i know to combat some of these sides is to keep test dosage rather high to keep our appetite and other things working as they should.
The reason being is if you haven't experienced some of these sides previously(another 19 nor like deca ) you might get scared off AAS altogether not being none the wiser. In other words, the more sides you experience before tren, you'll understand tren stands alone and not all AAS is treated the same.

I hope that makes sense.

Well said.

The other things people need to remember is that every individual will react in a different manner especially to a compound such as Trenbolone . The vast majority of individuals will tend to experience similar things, etc.

i would say you're lucky.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!

he says he would never take tren without 1mg of caber per week.

I just want to address this. I'm not telling everyone to absolutely run 1mg of Cabergoline weekly while on Trenbolone. I do reccomend it and advise people to do so, but my statement about myself doing it is only about MYSELF. I personally do not enjoy running Trenbolone without 1mg weekly of Cabergoline. That's my personal preference, choice, and decision, and others may have a different personal preference. Stpete has his preference of running higher Testosterone with Trenbolone, while I enjoy running TRT doses of Testosterone with my Trenbolone. Some also would rather control Estrogen in order to control Prolactin and the body's response to it rather than invest in Cabergoline. That's fine too, as I have mentioned many times that Prolactin and Progesterone related issues can be controlled if Estrogen is controlled (however, some do not respond as well to this method and may require Cabergoline). Personal individual response and preference is what it's all about here.

Also, I don't understand threads like these. We seem to get them every once in a while. But let me please say this, and i've said it many times in similar threads that question Trenbolone's status as a 'harsh' compound that is not for beginners: The idea, as many have already stated, is that one should develop experience with different compounds before moving on to something a little more complex such as Trenbolone. It is a compound that in many people can exhibit side effects that are not seen in any other anabolic steroid , and the nature of such side effects are a little more complex in their pathways than other compounds. The idea here is EXPERIENCE. Trenbolone possesses a list of potential side effects that is unique only to Trenbolone. This is a list of side effects that not everyone will experience, and those who experience it may not experience ALL of them. Blanket statements need to stop being thrown about like this.

In everything we do in life, the idea is to move from basic to advanced. Nobody ever starts off advanced. You need to learn basic math skills before doing calculus. If I threw calculus at you before you had learned the basics, you'd be dumbfounded and wouldn't know what to do! With that being said, yes, many people do make Trenbolone out to be oh so incredibly harsh and terrible but I will say that Trenbolone is nowhere near as 'harsh' or as bad as these individuals claim. But I would never advise anyone to run it on their first cycle. I know people who have, though, and did very well with it. But they are the exception and not the rule (they were also taking some big leaps in terms of risks doing so too).

I also mentioned in another recent Trenbolone thread that Trenbolone is not for everyone. And if the majority of people who are deathly afraid of Trenbolone (who have never used it) had performed adequate amounts of research on Trenbolone, they would have a better wholesome understanding of Trenbolone in regards to its potential side effects, and would not have that fear of it that is so common in the anabolic steroid realm. The problem with people being deathly afraid of Trenbolone really stems from ignorance of the compound, or that somehow the individual does not fully comprehend Trenbolone for whatever reasons. Essentially, it is: fear of the unknown. Education is the key out of the ignorance-caused darkness (and the resulting fear associated with it). If you are an individual that is deathly afraid of Trenbolone, scared shitless of the side effects and think it is the boogyman hiding under your bed just waiting to ruin your life, I just think you need to enlighten yourself a lot more and engage in a lot more reading and research on Trenbolone.

Humans naturally fear what they don't know or what they don't understand. It's a Xenophobic part of our nature that we NEED to get rid of. It's a feature of us that detriments mankind more than anything. It's why we have many of the prejudices we do in this world we live in. It's why so many people are closed-minded and react hostile when confronted with things they don't know or don't understand (or things that clashes and conflicts with their core belief systems).

EVERYONE gets freaked out by Trenbolone and scared at first. Hey, I did too when I first contemplated its use and begain investigating it. But the fear quickly dissapeared only to be replaced by confidence once I had fully educated myself on the compound.

Once again, however, Trenbolone is not for everyone. I love it and I have made it a staple in every single cycle i've run over the course of the last 5 years. But don't go using it expecting it to be the holy grail of AAS, as many will respond very negatively to it even at lower doses, and therefore it is not for everyone. It is also not as 'harsh' on some people as well, and in many cases not as horrid as the majority of people claim. I would have thought my Trenbolone thread would help people to understand this...

[MuttonChop]

Atomini gave us the correct answer in the simplest form: In everything in life, you move from basic to advanced. Tren is on the far right side.

And moreover, it happens to be the most complicated "viable" steroid out there. I say viable because things like Methyltrieolone (oral tren) are more complex in their behavior but they are not really viable...either because dosing is too complicated or the sides are too harsh.

When one day, we come up with a new steroid that is both more viable and more complex than Tren, that steroid will the talk of the town.

[Atomini]

Atomini gave us the correct answer in the simplest form: In everything in life, you move from basic to advanced. Tren is on the far right side.

And moreover, it happens to be the most complicated "viable" steroid out there. I say viable because things like Methyltrieolone (oral tren) are more complex in their behavior but they are not really viable...either because dosing is too complicated or the sides are too harsh.

When one day, we come up with a new steroid that is both more viable and more complex than Tren, that steroid will the talk of the town.

There doesn't need to be one created. Do you realize that there were perhaps hundreds of synthetic anabolic steroid derivatives that never even left R&D and into clinical trials, let alone production? They are sitting in the R&D records of all of the major pharmaceutical corporations. There are even some anabolic steroids that did leave R&D into use as well but its just that nobody knows about them. There are strong ones, and then there are very weak ones (that possess even less anabolic strength than Testosterone ) all the way to ones that have no anabolic effects at all (Proviron , for example). I know a few off the top of my head but here is my FAVORITE one i'd love to get my hands on:

Methyldienolone (AKA Methyl D). I would absolutely LOVE to try this. It's actually a close cousin to Methyltrienolone and it is a 19-nor. Get this... Methyldienolone possesses an androgenic strength rating of approximately 200 - 300. Anabolic strength rating is.... 1,000. That's DOUBLE the anabolic strength of Trenbolone and has an even WEAKER androgenic rating compared to it. And here's a really fun fact: this is one of the ones that never left R&D into clinical testing back in 1960. However, in 2004 a man by the name of Bruce Kneller dug into the R&D records of Eli Lilly and marketed it with Gaspari Nutrition, who then manufactured the anabolic steroid as an OTC supplement on store shelves. It didn't last long because it was released shortly (VERY shortly) before the revised anabolic steroid control act of 2004 was brought into legislation, which banned all prohormones and legal anabolic steroid 'supplements' at the time.

There are no details about how toxic it may have been to the liver. I am assuming its hepatotoxicity is nowhere near as toxic as Methyltrienolone.

[Atomini]

Oh, and then there is Dimethyltrienolone. Yeah, DImethyltrienolone. Meaning, it's methylated TWICE. Its strength compared to Methyltrienolone shoots right into the stratosphere. There isn't even a precise anabolic and androgenic strength rating, the only data I could find basically just says "it's at LEAST ten thousand" for both. Its toxicity exceeds that of Methyltrienolone by the same degree. It WILL turn your liver into liquid shit lol.

[Soar]

There doesn't need to be one created. Do you realize that there were perhaps hundreds of synthetic anabolic steroid derivatives that never even left R&D and into clinical trials, let alone production? They are sitting in the R&D records of all of the major pharmaceutical corporations. There are even some anabolic steroids that did leave R&D into use as well but its just that nobody knows about them. There are strong ones, and then there are very weak ones (that possess even less anabolic strength than Testosterone ) all the way to ones that have no anabolic effects at all (Proviron , for example). I know a few off the top of my head but here is my FAVORITE one i'd love to get my hands on:

Methyldienolone (AKA Methyl D). I would absolutely LOVE to try this. It's actually a close cousin to Methyltrienolone and it is a 19-nor. Get this... Methyldienolone possesses an androgenic strength rating of approximately 200 - 300. Anabolic strength rating is.... 1,000. That's DOUBLE the anabolic strength of Trenbolone and has an even WEAKER androgenic rating compared to it. And here's a really fun fact: this is one of the ones that never left R&D into clinical testing back in 1960. However, in 2004 a man by the name of Bruce Kneller dug into the R&D records of Eli Lilly and marketed it with Gaspari Nutrition, who then manufactured the anabolic steroid as an OTC supplement on store shelves. It didn't last long because it was released shortly (VERY shortly) before the revised anabolic steroid control act of 2004 was brought into legislation, which banned all prohormones and legal anabolic steroid 'supplements' at the time.

There are no details about how toxic it may have been to the liver. I am assuming its hepatotoxicity is nowhere near as toxic as Methyltrienolone.

I wish I could spend 15 minutes inside your head... Aye aye aye

[MuttonChop]

There doesn't need to be one created. Do you realize that there were perhaps hundreds of synthetic anabolic steroid derivatives that never even left R&D and into clinical trials, let alone production? They are sitting in the R&D records of all of the major pharmaceutical corporations. There are even some anabolic steroids that did leave R&D into use as well but its just that nobody knows about them. There are strong ones, and then there are very weak ones (that possess even less anabolic strength than Testosterone ) all the way to ones that have no anabolic effects at all (Proviron , for example). I know a few off the top of my head but here is my FAVORITE one i'd love to get my hands on:

Methyldienolone (AKA Methyl D). I would absolutely LOVE to try this. It's actually a close cousin to Methyltrienolone and it is a 19-nor. Get this... Methyldienolone possesses an androgenic strength rating of approximately 200 - 300. Anabolic strength rating is.... 1,000. That's DOUBLE the anabolic strength of Trenbolone and has an even WEAKER androgenic rating compared to it. And here's a really fun fact: this is one of the ones that never left R&D into clinical testing back in 1960. However, in 2004 a man by the name of Bruce Kneller dug into the R&D records of Eli Lilly and marketed it with Gaspari Nutrition, who then manufactured the anabolic steroid as an OTC supplement on store shelves. It didn't last long because it was released shortly (VERY shortly) before the revised anabolic steroid control act of 2004 was brought into legislation, which banned all prohormones and legal anabolic steroid 'supplements' at the time.

There are no details about how toxic it may have been to the liver. I am assuming its hepatotoxicity is nowhere near as toxic as Methyltrienolone.

Definitely know what you are saying. Part of what I meant by "viable" was that Tren is the strongest AAS the majority of the steroid using population can get their hands on. Methyltrienolone was only found among the boxing and martial arts community until just a while ago when some of the popular sources started stocking it. Moreover, as you yourself have stated, none of these more powerful steroids can be safely run for a period long enough to see gains from them.

I might be ignorant, but I cannot think any other steroid that is as powerful as Tren and as easily accessible and usable. Hence, tren gets discussed a lot more than a lot of these other steroids, and therefore, as with anything so unique and popular, you get people who put it on a pedestal and at the same time, people who swear that it is the coming of the Anti-Christ.

I cannot wait!! for the day that we come up with some super strong liver supplement that will let us handle the likes of Di-methyltrienolone!!!! What are your thoughts on TUDCA and UDCA in the context of safe methylated steroid usage btw?