Cycle advice

**ChiveOn** · 01-24-2013, 12:32 AM

Hello all,
So I've done a cycle previously of just sust pinning E3D as a first cycle. Some time has passed and I was lookin at starting a second. So if you could give me some advice I'd appreciate it.
I was looking at running the following.

Sustanon250 1cc E3D weeks 1-12
Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6
Winstrol 50mg ED weeks 8-12
Clen two wk on two off starting wk 6 (ladder 40-160-40)

Having Nolva on hand for any gyno and as a PCT. as well as HCG at 1000iu starting the last few weeks into the PCT.

Can't get my hands on much else. I would prefer to run a test C or E instead but this is what I have to work with. Any insight would help.

Also 23y/o 195 10%b/f diet is fairly clean. 250+g of protein a day. Comparable carbs and about half that in fat.

**Gaspaco** · 01-24-2013, 12:41 AM

Hey man!

You need to include AI and HCG to your cycle!

Adex 0.25mg eod or aromasin 12,5mg eod.

HCG run since week one of cycle until 4 days before starting PCT at 250iu twice a week.

If this is your first cycle drop the winny and run just dbol and your test. No need of 3 compounds for second run! (or drop dbol and keep winny)

**t-dogg** · 01-24-2013, 01:39 AM

What was your first cycle?

How many mg's then? And your running 750mgs this cycle?

**Gaspaco** · 01-24-2013, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

What was your first cycle?

How many mg's then? And your running 750mgs this cycle?

He wrote all of that!

First run was just sust 250mg o3d, now he wants to run sust again same dosage and add oral!

**Sick_beard** · 01-24-2013, 05:34 AM

win and clen are shitty compounds imo

Did you get good results on your 1st cycle? why don't you run same cycle again?

**Alinjr** · 01-24-2013, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Gaspaco

Hey man!

You need to include AI and HCG to your cycle!

Adex 0.25mg eod or aromasin 12,5mg eod.

HCG run since week one of cycle until 4 days before starting PCT at 250iu twice a week.

If this is your first cycle drop the winny and run just dbol and your test. No need of 3 compounds for second run! (or drop dbol and keep winny)

^^^You said it. Agreed.

**ChiveOn** · 01-24-2013, 11:40 AM

I saw good results out of the first cycle. After 10wks I put on around 32lbs. As is usual some of that was fat and water retention that faded off. But the strength gains were great too. I know I added damn near 70lbs to my bench alone and I was already out lifting my body weight by 60lbs or so.
Tis the season to bulk up! So ill probably drop the Winny, add in an AI. And maybe run the dbol an extra week or two. Thanks for the advice

**ChiveOn** · 01-24-2013, 11:43 AM

And as for running the same, I think as you move on and get more experienced adding to a cycle is beneficial yes? I just took it as a noob cycle the first time because I wanted to do it right rather than pile on bullshit right off the bat.

**Sick_beard** · 01-24-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

And as for running the same, I think as you move on and get more experienced adding to a cycle is beneficial yes? I just took it as a noob cycle the first time because I wanted to do it right rather than pile on bullshit right off the bat.

Running test + dbol should give you great results. Go for it!

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-24-2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sick_beard

Running test + dbol should give you great results. Go for it!

Bad advice IMO.

There is no point in running orals in a 2nd cycle, nor for a 3rd or a 4th cycle for that matter.

OP's logic, as he explained above, is flawed and you are supporting it. He thinks he is now an experienced AAS user only because he ran one cycle, not to mention his choice of Test for a 1st cycle was as poor as it could possibly get.

Sustanon already involves a short ester Test, namely Test Prop, and there is no point in running an oral for the first 4 weeks in order to kick-start it. Sustanon doesn't need to be kick-started, which I believe is about the only positive aspect of this compound. Moreover, he should absolutely have no business with Winstrol or Clenbuterol , both harsh compounds in their own regards.

When will newbies have a grasp on the fact that stacking multiple compounds increase the risks of experiencing multiple-sides from a cycle as opposed naively assuming that there will be magical synergy occurring from stacking multiple compounds?

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-24-2013, 01:11 PM

Here is an example of a decent advice for a 2nd cycle:

8 weeks of Test Prop @150mg EOD, Arimidex 0.25mg EOD, HCG 250iu E3D.

Run Arimidex until the first day of PCT.

Stop HCG injections 4 days before PCT begins.

Start PCT 3 days after last Test injection.

PCT: Nolvadex @20mg for 4 weeks and Clomid @50mg for 4 weeks.

Benefits of this cycle:

- You get to learn how your body responds to a single ester injectable Testosterone at its pure form.

- Your wallet doesn't get thin.

- You don't put extra strain on your livers and kidneys since an oral isn't involved.

- If you get any sides, you'll know where they are coming from.

- You will still be able to do as much as cardio as you want.

- You absolutely won't feel the need to kick-start this cycle with an oral.

- You will be able to keep your gains to a further extent since PCT wait time is only 3 days as opposed to almost 3 weeks as it is with Sustanon .

**ChiveOn** · 01-24-2013, 04:32 PM

Solid advice. I am aware I am nowhere near experienced also. I don't know anyone personally that have taken AAS and much of the knowledge online is contradictory at best. This is why I come here to ask those with experience before making snap decisions and waste money on things I don't need or won't benefit me the way I think they will.
Looks like I need to do a bit more research before making any decisions.
Thanks Juicer